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Education and the Future of Nations
Antza2Date: Monday, 01.10.2012, 16:36 | Message # 121
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I love Dawkins' documentaries! I wish he would do more.

Me too.
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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 18:09 | Message # 122
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I don't think a single person around here knows the difference between "your" and "you're".


It gets even worse when people don't know how to use "to", "two", and "too". Or when people don't know how to use they're, their, and there. wacko

Makes me wonder how anyone with such poor language skills finished their education.





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Antza2Date: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 18:25 | Message # 123
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It gets even worse when people don't know how to use "to", "two", and "too". Or when people don't know how to use they're, their, and there.

Is this really a problem in English speaking countries? Me and many of my friends know the difference between those, and we live on the other side of the planet!





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 18:42 | Message # 124
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Is this really a problem in English speaking countries?


Just read youtube comments or facebook posts.





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Antza2Date: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 18:46 | Message # 125
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Just read youtube comments

I meant in "real life". People just write whatever they please in youtube comments and the writers can be from all over the world, so they don't really count.
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facebook posts.

I don't almost ever use facebook, so i wouldn't know. Besides, all my friends speak Finnish.





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 18:53 | Message # 126
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I meant in "real life". People just write whatever they please in youtube comments and the writers can be from all over the world, so they don't really count.


It does happen in classrooms all the time. The amount of poor grammar I saw in most of my college courses was cringe worthy.

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I don't almost ever use facebook, so i wouldn't know. Besides, all my friends speak Finnish.


I stopped using FB a long time ago when I saw how much of a pointless self indulgence fest it was.





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Antza2Date: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:09 | Message # 127
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I stopped using FB a long time ago when I saw how much of a pointless self indulgence fest it was.

I have never really used it. I just made a profile because it was required for something a while back.

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It does happen in classrooms all the time. The amount of poor grammar I saw in most of my college courses was cringe worthy.

How is that possible? Almost every person in my grade writes perfect English and I have been fluent in writing English for about 4 years now, and i'm 18.

(This is starting to get rather off-topic.)





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HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:12 | Message # 128
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How is that possible? Almost every person in my grade writes perfect English and I have been fluent in writing English for about 4 years now, and i'm 18.

When you learn a language later in life, through a formal education, you tend to be better at that language than native speakers by the time you reach fluency, because you learn all the technicalities and the proper way of doing things when you learn it, rather than just picking things up haphazardly from what you hear those around you saying over the years.

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I stopped using FB a long time ago when I saw how much of a pointless self indulgence fest it was.

I have yet to notice this among the people I associate with (of course, I don't tend to associate with people who behave like that).





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:12 | Message # 129
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(This is starting to get rather off-topic.)


Harb can move these posts to Education and the future of nations and we can move this back to Carl Sagan cool

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(of course, I don't tend to associate with people who behave like that).


I associate with all kinds of people all the time. I find its best to avoid social networking because of that. You end up being forced into conflicts between opposing view points and both sides want you to support them.





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Antza2Date: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:20 | Message # 130
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When you learn a language later in life, through a formal education, you tend to be better at that language than native speakers by the time you reach fluency, because you learn all the technicalities and the proper way of doing things when you learn it

Well they started teaching English in school when i was about 10, so it's not that late in life. Besides, don't American schools have an English-class, where kids are supposed to learn how to spell correctly and etc?

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rather than just picking things up haphazardly from what you hear those around you saying over the years.

This is actually how i learned most of my English. Movies, games and the Internet teach English much better than school IMO, although shcool is still important.





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:28 | Message # 131
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don't American schools have an English-class, where kids are supposed to learn how to spell correctly and etc?


They start teaching English in first grade and it is a requirement all the way through college. I guess you could include preschool and kindergarten but they basically just tell you the alphabet in those.

They do not start on real proper grammar until 2nd and 3rd grade. Some schools start in 1st grade but it all depends where you live.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:29 | Message # 132
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Well they started teaching English in school when i was about 10, so it's not that late in life.

I mean later than early childhood. So 10 qualifies.

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Besides, don't American schools have an English-class, where kids are supposed to learn how to spell correctly and etc?

Yes, but that is an incredibly minor influence on the development of our English speaking and writing habits compared to what we encounter 24 hours a day. 180 hours per year of (mediocre) technical English instruction is insignificant on the development of linguistic habits for native English speakers.

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This is actually how i learned most of my English. Movies, games and the Internet teach English much better than school IMO, although shcool is still important.

But school lays an important foundation, and movies, games, etc. are going to expose you to more proper English than random interaction with native speakers would, especially if these involve subtitles/written words. Since English has a lot of words that are not spelled in a phonetically logical manner, and has quite a few homophones, many people get them confused.





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Antza2Date: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:38 | Message # 133
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Yes, but that is an incredibly minor influence on the development of our English speaking and writing habits compared to what we encounter 24 hours a day. 180 hours per year of (mediocre) technical English instruction is insignificant on the development of linguistic habits for native English speakers.

Then it's pretty much the same as our Finnish-classes. It really doesn't effect our way of spelling things, since Finnish is written exactly as it is pronounced, so everyone knows how to spell a word by just listening to it.

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But school lays an important foundation, and movies, games, etc. are going to expose you to more proper English than random interaction with native speakers would, especially if these involve subtitles/written words. Since English has a lot of words that are not spelled in a phonetically logical manner, and has quite a few homophones, many people get them confused.

I see your point, and i agree.





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Edited by Antza2 - Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:46
 
Antza2Date: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 19:47 | Message # 134
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Thanks for moving the posts. smile




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Antza2Date: Thursday, 04.10.2012, 20:06 | Message # 135
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They do not start on real proper grammar until 2nd and 3rd grade. Some schools start in 1st grade but it all depends where you live.

Here all schools have a unified schedule, so single schools don't fall behind or gain an advantage in quality of education. Every school is as good as the next one.

How early do American kids start school? (and i mean mandatory school.)





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