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Education and the Future of Nations
HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 19:38 | Message # 31
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What i have gathered it's the wealthy tycoons that have most of the wealth, while there are many ordinary citizens that have very little income.

Yes, and the problem keeps increasing. It is largely due to conservative economic reforms instituted in the 1980's, referred to as "trickle-down economics" or "Reaganomics" after President Ronald Reagan. The idea was sold on the premise that if the wealthiest Americans were given tax breaks and allowed to keep more money, it would spur economic development and that money would eventually work its way down to the lower tiers of society as more jobs were created.

It didn't work, and instead the wealth divide has increased sharply and the government has gone deeply into debt due to decreased tax revenue. Yet to this day, the conservative politicians are trying to keep this system in place (mostly because it benefits them) and conservative voters support them (largely because they're sheep, like most people, including non-conservatives, or because they're rich and want to get richer).

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i can drive there in few hours

Lucky. There are no interesting landscapes that I could visit in a few hours... the closest thing to me in that category would be Niagara Falls, and that's 8 hours away. The eastern United States does not have much interesting geography...

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Especially Norway with all those fjords.

I've actually seen fjords in Alaska. They don't compare to Norwegian fjords though.





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OrbitalResonanceDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 19:43 | Message # 32
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Why do the people of this country place so much value in "faith"?


I imagine because the people who make the rules are of faith. No taxes on the churches because that would be an unchristian thing to do because it might offend god. Plus a little bit of self serving.

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I have been in Norway and i can tell you that those pictures in google have no comparison on the real thing.
Only reason i'm not moving there is the unbelievably difficult language and the fact that i can drive there in few hours.


Its really depressing to be an intellectual here. I live next to a NASA center(Langley) and it makes no difference. The normal people just treat it with apathy or ignore it. I took some side (atmospheric science)science classes for fun in high school to fill an extra block and it was terrible. The people didn't care and the teacher didn't care, we watched hollywood movies like the Core (an inceredibly stupid scifi film) 50% of the time. Its that way when talking about the amazement and poetry of science. I get high on astronomy and space and its so hard to relate to others who get their kicks out of rolling themselves down a hill in a big rubber tire or take in narcotics. Sometimes they even treat me with hostility. I jsut want people to care about the fact we are on a several trillion ton amalgamation of rock going around an incredible mass of plasma lost in an unimaginable void.





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Antza2Date: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 19:55 | Message # 33
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and that's 8 hours away.

Well that's about the same amount of time i was talking about. tongue

Where i live, we have really flat geography. I guess that it's compensated by the amount of forest we have, and we have a LOT of forest.

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Yes, and the problem keeps increasing. It is largely due to conservative economic reforms instituted in the 1980's, referred to as "trickle-down economics" or "Reaganomics" after President Ronald Reagan. The idea was sold on the premise that if the wealthiest Americans were given tax breaks and allowed to keep more money, it would spur economic development and that money would eventually work its way down to the lower tiers of society as more jobs were created.


But that's insane! How could anyone think that giving more money to rich people could in any way benefit the poor?

Well i guess Reagan was just the type of idiot to come up with something that stupid. More probably he didn't even invent it, but was tricked into approving it by the rich tycoons.

Backs up my theory that the president doesn't really hold the power in the US, but is rather a puppet of the 1%.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 19:56 | Message # 34
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I imagine because the people who make the rules are of faith. No taxes on the churches because that would be an unchristian thing to do because it might offend god. Plus a little bit of self serving.

I know, I meant it as a rhetorical question smile

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Its that way when talking about the amazement and poetry of science. I get high on astronomy and space and its so hard to relate to others who get their kicks out of rolling themselves down a hill in a big rubber tire or take in narcotics. Sometimes they even treat me with hostility.

I'm in the same boat, and I feel your pain in all categories. Fortunately, living in an affluent suburb of Boston really helps, and people around here aren't like that as much. But in most of the US, especially the south (I lived in Georgia for a number of years) it is bad. I remember one case where I was sitting next to some distant relative or something, and as I was talking she interrupted me and asked with impending malice "Are you an intellectual?". I wasn't sure how to respond, so I said "Uh, I guess - " to which she immediately and hatefully snapped "I hate intellectuals.". I knew right then just where I stood in that society. It was a sharp contrast to the town I grew up in, where intellectual curiosity and academic achievement were encouraged, and things like racism did not exist. I grew up thinking that the whole world was like that. I was understandably shocked when I got out and saw things for how they were.





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Antza2Date: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:00 | Message # 35
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The people didn't care and the teacher didn't care, we watched hollywood movies like the Core (an inceredibly stupid scifi film) 50% of the time.

That must have sucked. sad
Over here all teachers (even elementary school teachers.) have to be professors, so that kind of stuff does't happen.





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OrbitalResonanceDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:04 | Message # 36
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Im in love with the Appalachian mountains, especially around here in Virginia. I intend to hike(backpack) the full 2100 miles of the Appalachian Trail sometime, maybe even next year. They are around 500 million years old and are heavily eroded. They used to be as massive as the himalayas and smack in the middle of that grand ol super-continent Pangaea(created by its formation). There are also parts that related to the mountains in Europe that used to be part of the same chain.

Picture i took atop a massive rock.



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Are you an intellectual?". I wasn't sure how to respond, so I said "Uh, I guess - " to which she immediately and hatefully snapped "I hate intellectuals."


D= I couldn't imagine being anything else!!! What a horrid life..





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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:05 | Message # 37
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Well that's about the same amount of time i was talking about.

Yes, but Niagara Falls doesn't compare to the Norwegian coast biggrin I would have to drive for days to find truly spectacular landscapes in the United States. The closest thing of equal or superior grandeur would probably be the Grand Canyon. It's one of the most spectacular sights on Earth, but it's also 4000 km away.

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But that's insane! How could anyone think that giving more money to rich people could in any way benefit the poor?

The Republican party, that's who... they are largely composed of and supported by the rich, and the people who think that the have-nots should continue to have not.

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Well i guess Reagan was just the type of idiot to come up with something that stupid. More probably he didn't even invent it, but was tricked into approving it by the rich tycoons.

Backs up my theory that the president doesn't really hold the power in the US, but is rather a puppet of the 1%.

Ronald Reagan was many things, but he was no puppet. His agendas were his own, or were only things he strongly agreed with. Whatever else he may have been, he was a strong leader.

But the wealthiest citizens and businesses do have a very large influence on the government, so in a sense they are puppets of the 1%.

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I intend to hike(backpack) the full 2100 miles of the Appalachian Trail sometime,

I've actually been to the southern terminus of the Trail, at Amicalola Falls in Georgia. Having seen the desert Southwest and the mountains of Alaska, however, the Appalachians hold no allure for me sad





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:28
 
Antza2Date: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:14 | Message # 38
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Ronald Reagan was many things, but he was no puppet. His agendas were his own, or were only things he strongly agreed with. Whatever else he may have been, he was a strong leader.

Well i'm really not very educated on the presidents of your country, so i really don't know about their policies. It's just that he used to be an actor so i assumed that he might have not been really bright.

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The Republican party, that's who...

Like I said, 2-party system makes no sense.

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Picture i took atop a massive rock.

Nice picture. smile

Finland used to have a mountain range as big as the one in Norway before the ice age, but now it's pretty much flat.





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OrbitalResonanceDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:22 | Message # 39
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I've actually been to the southern terminus of the Trail, at Amicalola Falls in Georgia. Having seen the desert Southwest and the mountains of Alaska, however, the Appalachians hold no allure for me


Sometimes the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Course im more likely to be a fan of obscure and often ignored things. Like im getting all exited thinking about the paleography of the eastern us right now.



Look at that monster, its amazing what time can do. Like im just stuck imaging the local environments, geography, rocks, fauna all trapped in one point of time that is destined to change in time. I wish i could morph time to see how things change and see the countless stories that play out. Think of all the stories just one point of land has seen. Thats how i would spend eternity, go from planet to planet watching an epic drama play out.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:23 | Message # 40
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Like I said, 2-party system makes no sense.

I agree wholeheartedly. Last year, I vowed to vote in the upcoming election, and that I would not vote for a candidate from either major political party. I intend to keep that promise.

George Washington, our first president (and one of the best) held a farewell address upon leaving office, during which he warned against the dangers that partisan politics and regionalism would pose to the country. No one listened to him, and so we later got a bloody civil war and a bogus political system.

I wish we could be a country like Sweden, where a political party can come into existence and rise to have a large influence in only a few years (bonus points to whoever can guess which specific party I'm referring to).

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Well i'm really not very educated on the presidents of your country, so i really don't know about their policies.

Neither do most Americans dry

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Look at that monster, its amazing what time can do.

Quite spectacular indeed smile





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:25
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:27 | Message # 41
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Neither do most Americans dry


I hate to say it but I used to know most, however I have forgotten. I don't really care for politics that much and figure the storage space in my brain can be used for more interesting things.





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Antza2Date: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:32 | Message # 42
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I wish we could be a country like Sweden, where a political party can come into existence and rise to have a large influence in only a few years (bonus points to whoever can guess which specific party I'm referring to).

I think most of the European countries have a similar policy on political parties.

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Neither do most Americans

That's sad. sad

But hey, at least you have Obama. I think he has had some of the best ideas in improving your country in a long time. smile





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OrbitalResonanceDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:42 | Message # 43
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But hey, at least you have Obama. I think he has had some of the best ideas in improving your country in a long time.


Its amazing the amoutn of hostiltiy he gets from certain people, some of the bumper stickers around here are barbaric. Also, there is a guy who comes into the grocery store I work at who literally rants about the evil socialist muslim terrorist traitor Obama and leaves propaganda around the place when hes taking to people. Its like his life purpose now to get Obama out of office. I really didnt belive people like that existed in the real world till i met him.





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Antza2Date: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:46 | Message # 44
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Its amazing the amoutn of hostiltiy he gets from certain people, some of the bumper stickers around here are barbaric. Also, there is a guy who comes into the grocery store I work at who literally rants about the evil socialist muslim terrorist traitor Obama and leaves propaganda around the place when hes taking to people. Its like his life purpose now to get Obama out of office. I really didnt belive people like that existed in the real world till i met him.

Seriously? Wow. That amount of idiocy hurts my brain.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:46 | Message # 45
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But hey, at least you have Obama. I think he has had some of the best ideas in improving your country in a long time.

I would disagree. He's certainly a better president than the others that we've had recently, but I don't think he's very good, and I do not intend to vote to reelect him. Like most in Washington, he is a partisan politician and cares more about politics and less about really fixing things than he should in my opinion. That is hardly unique to him, the same is true from almost every politician in the federal government, but I have very high standards, and if anyone should live up to those standards then it should be the President of the United States.

I also disagree with his healthcare reform that has been put into motion. Sure, I'm all for universal healthcare, but the way that this is to be implemented will cause a lot more trouble than it will save. The state I live in currently, Massachusetts, is unique in that is has had a similar system in place on a state level for years. The state is very short on money, and it is very difficult to find good health care if you have a state-subsidized insurance plan. This will exist on a national level in a few years. Also, why should the government be able to force its citizens to buy health insurance? If it was just granted to you by the government and taken out as taxes, then that would be one thing, but what's going to happen is that the citizens will be told that they have to purchase health insurance - not a simple task - and failure to do so will result in a fine. I disagree with this approach.

One presidential candidate, Ron Paul, really did have some of the best ideas for improving the country that any candidate had, including Obama, but he failed to get the nomination for the party he was running for. I intend to vote for him anyway.

None of them were really perfect though. I wish that some of the truly great people would get into politics. Unfortunately the all know better than that and are content to stay in industry and academia where they're safe and can live their lives.

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Seriously? Wow. That amount of idiocy hurts my brain.

Agreed :/





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Wednesday, 29.08.2012, 20:50
 
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