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Education and the Future of Nations
HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 21:34 | Message # 271
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Remember, we're still a type zero civilization. Type 1 is nearing though.

Eh, Kardashev scale...





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TimDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 22:04 | Message # 272
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HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 22:06 | Message # 273
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I was expressing my dislike of the Kardashev scale.





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werdnaforeverDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 22:44 | Message # 274
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I was expressing my dislike of the Kardashev scale.


It's hardly perfect, but I think it might become more relevant once (or if) our civilization matures.


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apenpaapDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 22:45 | Message # 275
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I think there'll still be some creationists left in sixty years, but far fewer. They're already a pretty rare breed over here, fortunately. (well, except in a bunch of towns in the countryside that are more religious than Vatican City and pretty infamous for it)




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werdnaforeverDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 22:46 | Message # 276
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hey're already a pretty rare breed over here

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HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 23:11 | Message # 277
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I think it might become more relevant once (or if) our civilization matures.

If anything it is becoming less relevant. It measures the status of a civilization's development by the amount of raw energy that it produces. As has already been discussed elsewhere on the forum (search 'kardashev scale') this is not sufficient.





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werdnaforeverDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 23:17 | Message # 278
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It measures the status of a civilization's development by the amount of raw energy that it produces.

That's the original way of looking at it. It can be applied in other ways- I prefer the physical expansion of a civilization. In that respect, we are already a type I, since we have explored practically our entire planet. Types II, III, and IV would apply to having a large presence throughout our system, galaxy, and universe.
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 18.03.2013, 23:55 | Message # 279
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I prefer the physical expansion of a civilization.

Then that's not the Kardashev scale, just a Kardashev-inspired scale. And it's still insufficient. It is not inconceivable that a civilization could advance to an unimaginable level without ever leaving their home system. So there must be a more varied way of judging a civilization than just energy usage or territory explored. There needs to be many factors considered.

Ultimately, by the time we advance beyond our current stage we'll probably realize that it's pointless and silly to even attempt to make such assessments.





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DisasterpieceDate: Tuesday, 19.03.2013, 01:43 | Message # 280
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Also, on the Kardashev scale. I don't like it because it is very arbitrary. We have no examples of any civilization other than our own to make a scale.




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midtskogenDate: Tuesday, 19.03.2013, 08:55 | Message # 281
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I think there'll still be some creationists left in sixty years, but far fewer. They're already a pretty rare breed over here, fortunately.

Religious views are perhaps more considered a private matter in Europe, whereas in the US they are more loud about it and there is an active apologetic movement which has no comparable tradition over here.

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I want to think the world will move past this, and the number of creationists will dwindle (is that evolution I detect?) into nothing.

Perhaps, perhaps not. An observation: When religions meet and are frequently in contact with each other, they tend to polarise and radicalise. Christians become more Christian, Muslims more Muslim and Jews more Jewish, etc. And it often happens among the young people. It's a matter of identity. When faced with other beliefs on a daily basis, people begin to look for things that set them apart from the others, to romanticise their history and traditions. In Europe Christianity has slumbered while Islam is experiencing an explosive growth. That might revitalise Christianity here and result in a much less secular society than today. I think that something like this happened in the Islamic world as a consequence of the expansion of Western culture. Now migration patterns have turned, and the same thing might happen in the West. So I wouldn't write off religion quite yet.





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Edited by midtskogen - Tuesday, 19.03.2013, 13:37
 
TimDate: Tuesday, 19.03.2013, 12:32 | Message # 282
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midtskogenDate: Thursday, 11.04.2013, 14:48 | Message # 283
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I didn't say that

Sorry, I probably hit the wrong "Quote" button. Edited and fixed.

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HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 11.04.2013, 15:07 | Message # 284
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