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The Future of Humanity & Intelligent life in the universe
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:29 | Message # 61
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Some companies are run by people who really do care and who do want to have a positive effect on the world. Not all corporations are evil.


Still in most cases it ends up being money before people. Which makes sense when the market is unforgiving when you have no money.

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DoctorOfSpace, congratulations on becoming the first person on this forum to achieve the rank of "World Builder"


I was wondering why the ranks were changed up.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:29 | Message # 62
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I was wondering why the ranks were changed up.

The old system was pretty illogical, so we revamped it. Mostly changed the intervals between ranks, but some names were also changed as well.

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Still in most cases it ends up being money before people. Which makes sense when the market is unforgiving when you have no money.

Most cases, yes. I just feel that it's important to emphasize not all. People seem all too eager to demonize corporations and capitalist practices these days, which in most cases is totally warranted, as you've said, but people tend to be undiscriminating with their vitriol, which is why I feel compelled to make sure that people are not adhering to such a prejudicial viewpoint. Not that I think you're doing that, of course, I'm just explaining why I've said what I've said in this case and others like it.





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AerospacefagDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:29 | Message # 63
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I am not entirely sure what you are saying, but it seems to be something along the lines of someone brought up in our society doesn't care about possible societies if they have what they want in this one.

But given so, that means that they are not aware that society itself is constantly changing, improving itself towards new forms. Not only them, but those who also may be involved in such activity as Venus project, are not ready to the changes it may cause, or prevent, or anticipate. This shortsightedness will not only cost in money and time, but in human lives as well.


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The entire purpose of the society is for self improvement and advancement and you can never become perfect so you will continue to advance and improve.

Although they're not entirely confident about form that this self-improvement's may take. It's almost like evolution, with good and bad sides, it lacks centralized control sometimes.

20 years ago, USSR ceased to exist, and everybody was so optimistic about our united future, but they forgot about things like balance of power, they didn't want to change their values, and the world became to overturn like a table without one of supports. People on the West, it seems, are not aware about what tragedy happened just before their eyes - they consider it as part of positive evolution.
For now, 20 years later, it may be already too late to take action, but never too late to remember.

As a conclusion, back to the question: one cannot simply design future, the design will affect the future and therefore may become useless. What do you think about this point of view?


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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:29 | Message # 64
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As a conclusion, back to the question: one cannot simply design future, the design will affect the future and therefore may become useless. What do you think about this point of view?


I get what you are saying now for the most part. But in many ways it seems like a far better society than we have now, of course it isn't perfect but nothing ever is. And you are right that you can never truly plan for the future because the future is really a big pool of uncertainty.





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AerospacefagDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:29 | Message # 65
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Have anybody of you ever heard about this video? What's your opinion on main idea of it and how much the situation changed since then? I have several remarks on this, however, not before your response.
 
R136a1Date: Saturday, 19.01.2013, 19:39 | Message # 66
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The brain is an amazing organ, one with untouched abilities that we haven't even begun to unlock. I suspect this is the century where these abilities become available to most if not all people.

Physicists are planning to cut open the brain and have a laser cut it into cubed microns. where they wil be scanned and data will be stored on a computer of the complexity of the brain. Making AI easier and more of a possible goal.





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Saturday, 19.01.2013, 20:03 | Message # 67
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Physicists are planning to cut open the brain and have a laser cut it into cubed microns. where they wil be scanned and data will be stored on a computer of the complexity of the brain. Making AI easier and more of a possible goal.


As long as it isn't my brain being sliced up I'm fine with that happening.





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VoekoevakaDate: Saturday, 19.01.2013, 21:55 | Message # 68
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Found this on the web.






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HarbingerDawnDate: Saturday, 19.01.2013, 22:42 | Message # 69
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Most of those odds seem way, way off. For example, a Mars base is FAR more likely than a 10 km building, and will happen much sooner.




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VoekoevakaDate: Saturday, 19.01.2013, 23:01 | Message # 70
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I agree that some things can be changed : for example : "2015 : the first immortal mouse". I think we'll not see it before the 2050'.




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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Saturday, 19.01.2013, 23:16 | Message # 71
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I agree that some things can be changed : for example : "2015 : the first immortal mouse". I think we'll not see it before the 2050'.


With the speed things are going 2015 is optimistic at best but I would say by 2025 it could feasibly be done.





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anonymousgamerDate: Saturday, 19.01.2013, 23:40 | Message # 72
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I feel a lot of these things are way too optimistic.




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midtskogenDate: Sunday, 20.01.2013, 08:24 | Message # 73
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Much nonsense there. A 10 km building would be totally impractical. Predicting weather/climate is hard, so an ice free summer arctic 2018 and a new ice age in 2090 are predictions doomed to fail. Fusion (with excess energy) has been 30 years into the future for 60 years.

One can't just extrapolate current trends and expect that to be the future. After the inventions of steam engine trains and boats in the late 18th century one could believe that there would be steam powered airplanes and spacecrafts for that matter in the future, but that did of course never happen. Some things might be easy to foresee the invention of, but it's probably going to be pretty different because it was made possible or practical only through a technology that we haven't yet thought of.

There will be interesting inventions to come. The world is becoming heavily overpopulated, but on the other hand, think of what 10 billion minds can come up with. It might be tempting to think that an old civilisation like the mediterranian a couple of thousand years ago was close to reaching the industrial revolution and could perhaps have sent a man too the moon in the 5th century, if the political situation had been more stable and if science/philosophy had been less comfortable in trusting old authority, but I think there were too few people on earth then to make a revolution happen.





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Edited by midtskogen - Sunday, 20.01.2013, 08:35
 
BatbombDate: Sunday, 20.01.2013, 12:20 | Message # 74
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I don't really see why it should take so long for automatic cars and airplanes. There has been a lot of investigation on that field the last years.
Automatic Planes have already been tested since WW-2. In military there are already Drones, and the next F-series of fighters won't be with pilots anymore. Maybe we will see this faster than we think. A much more urgent question would be wether people would want to fly without pilots or put their trust in automatic cars... and think of all the pilots who would lost their jobs...
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Sunday, 20.01.2013, 13:10 | Message # 75
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In military there are already Drones

Most of these are remote controlled, not autonomous (only a few are).

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the next F-series of fighters won't be with pilots anymore

Maybe. But that won't be until around mid-century.

Automatic cars might happen sooner than shown on this chart, but pilotless commercial flights probably will not.

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It might be tempting to think that an old civilisation like the mediterranian a couple of thousand years ago was close to reaching the industrial revolution and could perhaps have sent a man too the moon in the 5th century

I don't think that any reasonable person thinks that. It simply would have been impossible for the required technology and workforce to exist at that time. It might have happened in the 15th century, but not the 5th. If they had been able to solve their political and social problems though (like getting rid of slavery), then I think it is very probable that we could have been exploring the stars by now.





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Sunday, 20.01.2013, 13:14
 
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