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The Future of Humanity & Intelligent life in the universe
Antza2Date: Tuesday, 28.08.2012, 15:51 | Message # 46
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GITS and NEOTOKYO aren't directly related to Japanese art, it's more like about cyberpunk future of humanity - some philosophical dilemmas, some science and technology forecasting, great visuals, etc. Actually, I'm not thinking about "remake", but rather about adaptation. Most likely some comics or short movies, so I can expand the initial conception - everything goes.

Sounds cool and i wish you luck on that project. cool
I myself have other things to concentrate on right now.





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neutronium76Date: Friday, 07.09.2012, 10:30 | Message # 47
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you have an infinite time

I don't want to see my planet get "eaten" by the sun


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I don't want to see my planet get "eaten" by the sun

I'd love to see that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY&feature=related

I guess that speaks by itself and answers all the above comments.

On a "tiny fraction of a dot in the infinite vastness of the cosmos'' as Sagan said, we are "eating'' ourselves. There is no need to wait for the sun to eat us. dry

I just watched this video after I watched Sagan's documentary. And I cried. A lot..





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Edited by neutronium76 - Friday, 07.09.2012, 10:32
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Friday, 07.09.2012, 11:11 | Message # 48
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY&feature=related

One of the most powerful amazing and frightening videos I've ever seen, and one I have often shown to others in the past. Great post.





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ThursDate: Friday, 07.09.2012, 14:55 | Message # 49
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Hello, as an environmental scientist and researcher I have my two cents to throw in.

You've probably heard of the term "sustainability." Never before in human history have we encountered such a problem on such a large scale. For millenia, human beings existed in small enough numbers where the Earth's resources and biocapacity were essentially limitless. Only in the past couple centuries has population exponentially increased, alongside quickly rising affluence that demanded vastly more resource and energy use per person. By the 1970s, we had used up an estimated 5% of the capital provided to our species by the Earth. While this number is not very much, this is the first time we noticed a real dent in the supposedly infinite supplies of resources. The percent of remaining resources is dropping at a noticeable rate as our massive population demands higher standards of living, which requires a huge ecological footprint per person. Now we are easily exceeding the carrying capacity of the Earth, especially if you intend for everyone to live at the same standards as an American or European.

The 1970 Club of Rome Limits to Growth conference found out through mathematical modelling that even with vastly more resources than we have now, a heavy amount of technological innovation, and responses to environmental degradation and pollution, we are inevitably going to hit a major economic decline and population die off as one of the chains in the link of resources suddenly breaks or dries up. Unfortunately, our species is not even following the best case scenario in this mathematical model of environmental responsibility and industrial forethought. There is very likely to be a large, painful collapse and crisis in our species that will effect billions. The Club of Rome found this collapse inevitable by 2100 as industry far surpasses the means of production. The ripple effect of the economy overshooting its capital is not something you're going to want to be around for.

It's actually a really interesting read, and it tries to avoid being alarmist. Even with their most conservative and hopeful predictions though, these researchers from MIT postulated the only way to continue down this path is to apply major changes to society, culture, and our thinking and perception of the world in general. We are taking too much from the Earth, and this is bad for us. We must aim for sustainability this very second if we want to ensure our numbers remain stable and prosperous - unfortunately, in western culture, infinite economic growth is unquestioned and a pillar of capitalistic society. This notion must change to sustainable growth, as we simply cannot rely on ingenuity and technological advances any longer. Even with renewable energy, we'd have to be mining for resources on other planets to avoid the looming catastrophe (considering we don't change our ways).

This research was done 40 years ago, but even today scientists are evaluating the studies veracity. They have found that the models have so far fairly accurately predicted our current economic state, and that even after 40 years these models are still viable and important to understand. So unfortunately I don't see a lot of this space or genetic technology becoming hugely relevant to our species. It's likely we're going to be spending most of our attention dealing with some major problems of basic survival or at least upkeep of industrial society as this becomes harder and harder.

Here's a source for a lot of what I said.
http://www.csiro.au/files/files/plje.pdf

In the end, I'm not trying to say the Earth or even our species is doomed. Our culture likely is though, along with the present societies we know. A lot of people may very well die and leave few to carry on the genome. Maybe not though. Maybe civilizations will rise up in the far future like America after Rome, to accomplish things us 21st century people only dream of. But maybe we are squandering everything for our future generations. Live with the environment not outside it!

Ask me any questions you have, I'll try to address them.


Edited by Thurs - Friday, 07.09.2012, 15:01
 
Destroyer123Date: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:00 | Message # 50
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Sometimes i wonder what will happen to humans. Will we venture into the stars or nuke ourself to death.? What do you think will happen and how or why will it happen?




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HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:27 | Message # 51
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Destroyer123, a thread about the future of humanity already exists here. I have asked you before to please stop creating redundant threads, and to use the search function and look through the forum before creating a thread. If you keep doing this, you may loose your privileges of posting on the forum. Please try to observe the rules.

Another thread that might interest you on this topic exists here: http://en.spaceengine.org/forum/23-810-1





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:27 | Message # 52
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Web site
http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Venus Project Summary quoted from wikipedia
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The Venus Project is an organization started by self-educated structural engineer, industrial designer, and futurist Jacque Fresco. Fresco's project aims to restructure society through worldwide utilization of a theoretical design that he calls a resource-based economy. Those ideas use a version of sustainable cities, energy efficiency, natural resource management and advanced automation with a global socio-economic system based on social cooperation and scientific methodology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venus_Project

Its an interesting idea but somehow doesn't seem realistically possible.





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Edited by DoctorOfSpace - Saturday, 18.08.2012, 20:35
 
Antza2Date: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:27 | Message # 53
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Why is nobody interested in this?




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AerospacefagDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:28 | Message # 54
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Antza2, the proper answer probably will take a few screens of wall of text, but in general, everybody is too busy to listen to some "self-educated structural engineer" to improve their future.
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:28 | Message # 55
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everybody is too busy to listen to some "self-educated structural engineer" to improve their future.


Seems to me its more about the average person just shrugging it off as some sort of utopian idea when it really isn't.





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OrbitalResonanceDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:28 | Message # 56
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I am indeed interested in this and other post scarcity ideas.

“The well of human social though is not exhausted by the present age, and I don’t think will ever be exhausted. There will always be people with new ideas on how Humans should live together. Mars is not going to be a utopia, Mars is going to be a lab, it’s an open frontier, it’s a place where things are going to be tried out. I think we will see a lot of noble experiments on Mars. Perhaps some of these Martian colonies, with their novel ideas based on the best though the 21st century has to offer, maybe they’ll find ways which Humans can create society that are more humane and offer more opportunity for human potential.” –Robert Zubrin

I am betting the first resource based economy will be off-world. In fact it may be the only real way to get it. Demonstrate it off world where necessity and a separation from the home world will drive some social innovation.





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Edited by OrbitalResonance - Tuesday, 09.10.2012, 04:23
 
AerospacefagDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:28 | Message # 57
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DoctorOfSpace, that's not entirely what I'm talking about. I consider that in modern liberal market an "average person" isn't really enough to promote global ideas. Specifically, you need to have people with money, who are ready to spend some of their time not to improve their personal life, but for something more important to all of us.

But look, this is Paris motor show 2012, I don't think that they do care about any kind of utopia. If they sell car with hybrid engine, it doesn't necessary mean that they care about any kind of ecology, for them, it's just one of marketing approaches.



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I am betting the first resource based economy will be off-world. In fact it may be the only real way to get it.

Studying my specialty, I came to the conclusion that only possibility of getting to this kind of society - is ruthless, calculated and self-improving exploration of outer space, which will determine more strict limits for economy. You need to do this, because if you building technocratic society, without purpose it will collapse under it's own weight, like USSR did when their leaders refused to preserve ideas of communism and unity of nations.
 
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The Venus Project is a better way to live than what we have now !!!
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:28 | Message # 59
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But look, this is Paris motor show 2012, I don't think that they do care about any kind of utopia. If they sell car with hybrid engine, it doesn't necessary mean that they care about any kind of ecology, for them, it's just one of marketing approaches.


I am not entirely sure what you are saying, but it seems to be something along the lines of someone brought up in our society doesn't care about possible societies if they have what they want in this one. Also of course they only care about selling the car, that means money, and money means that business survives. Without any sort of regulations corporations would completely ravage the Earth in search of profits.

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I am betting the first resource based economy will be off-world. In fact it may be the only real way to get it. Demonstrate it off world where necessity and a separation from the home world will drive some social innovation.


I think this is quite plausible too. The only way it will happen on Earth is if it is proven to work somewhere else or society gets to a point where there is such a strain on resources, little to no jobs, and mechanization has basically taken over. I think at that point it would be one of the only possible options to move to if humanity is going to survive.

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Studying my specialty, I came to the conclusion that only possibility of getting to this kind of society - is ruthless, calculated and self-improving exploration of outer space, which will determine more strict limits for economy. You need to do this, because if you building technocratic society, without purpose it will collapse under it's own weight, like USSR did when their leaders refused to preserve ideas of communism and unity of nations.


The Venus Project already has a solution to those issues. The entire purpose of the society is for self improvement and advancement and you can never become perfect so you will continue to advance and improve. I think they even said it would provide a society for humans that could be technologically advanced for thousands of years, if not more.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 06.11.2012, 08:29 | Message # 60
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If they sell car with hybrid engine, it doesn't necessary mean that they care about any kind of ecology, for them, it's just one of marketing approaches.

That may be true in this particular case, and in many cases, but not in all cases. Some companies are run by people who really do care and who do want to have a positive effect on the world. Not all corporations are evil.

DoctorOfSpace, congratulations on becoming the first person on this forum to achieve the rank of "World Builder" smile





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Tuesday, 09.10.2012, 19:38
 
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