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The Future of Humanity & Intelligent life in the universe
steeljaw354Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 18:33 | Message # 211
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Someone could make a "robot virus" that could infect robots and make them rebel, or somebody could re-program them to rebel against humans. Being human doesn't mean I can't take a medicine or a VERY small chip implanted somewhere in my body that would allow me to have a sickness free life, I would like to live for at least 10000 years but Not forever. If you live forever you will get bored after a while.

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JackDoleDate: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 18:54 | Message # 212
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I would like to live for at least 10000 years but Not forever. If you live forever you will get bored after a while.

Not forever, of course not. Eternal is finally a fairly long time. But I would still like to see how the Andromeda Galaxies collides with the Milky Way. cool





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AerospacefagDate: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 20:01 | Message # 213
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Cybernetics, advanced computers, AI, and genetic reprogramming will cure all these things and give near indefinite lifespans.


Buffoonery.



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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 20:11 | Message # 214
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Quote steeljaw354 ()
"robot virus" that could infect robots and make them rebel


Do explain why this would be the case.

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or somebody could re-program them to rebel against humans.


And? Someone could program a robot to do whatever they wanted, one person making killer robots is not a doomsday scenario or really an issue.

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Being human doesn't mean I can't take a medicine or a VERY small chip implanted somewhere in my body that would allow me to have a sickness free life


A very small chip is still implanting cybernetics so you just contradicted yourself.

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I would like to live for at least 10000 years but Not forever.


And in 10,000 years if you are still young in body and healthy I very much doubt you would say "Welp its been 10,000 years better just kill myself". Living forever is no different than asking you today if you want to be alive tomorrow, pretty much everyone is going to want to see tomorrow.

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If you live forever you will get bored after a while.


Thats a very limited and stupid view on living forever.

Aubrey de Grey covers most of those views in his talks.





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steeljaw354Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 20:20 | Message # 215
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Somebody could re program a robot or build one to reprogram robots and have it repeat, Well if it was a whole faction of people doing the samething to robots it would be an issue. Like creating swarms of small robots that would attach themselves to other robots and reprograming them. If you live forever, the universe will die but not for a Very long time. By small chip I mean like 1mm in size. I don't want my appearance to change, I don't want any cybernetics larger than 1mm inside of me.

If you want to live forever you mine as well hook your body to a machine and have the machine somehow keep you alive while you do whatever you want inside your mind, 1 year in your mind will be 1 second the outside world time, or just virtual reality.


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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 20:47 | Message # 216
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Somebody could re program a robot or build one to reprogram robots and have it repeat


I don't think you really understand exactly how difficult that would be.

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If you live forever, the universe will die but not for a Very long time.


The universe will be habitable for life, especially robotic life, for at least another few trillion years. If we decide to think really exotically it may even be possible for future life to tap into black holes for energy, extending the period that life could exist for a quadrillion years or longer.

You have a greater chance of being hit by a vehicle in the next year than living for the next century, you would have to be exceptionally fortunate to live for even a couple centuries let alone 1000 years or a million years. Statistics pretty much says you will be killed by something and that most probably won't be the heat death of the universe.

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By small chip I mean like 1mm in size.


I highly doubt any single chip will have the capability to keep you alive. To stay alive will require radical treatments and most probably cybernetic augmentations, especially if you want to store memories and survive accidents and disease.

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I don't want my appearance to change


Why would implanted augmentations require you to change your appearance?

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or just virtual reality.


Worlds within your mind are virtual reality environments.





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steeljaw354Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 20:56 | Message # 217
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I highly doubt any single chip will have the capability to keep you alive. To stay alive will require radical treatments and most probably cybernetic augmentations, especially if you want to store memories and survive accidents and disease.


Not now I mean in like 1000 years maybe.

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I don't think you really understand exactly how difficult that would be.


Not if there are thousands of reprogramed robots going on a mission of reprograming others, Invisible ones could be even more deadly. Future holds many ideas and possiblities.

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I highly doubt any single chip will have the capability to keep you alive. To stay alive will require radical treatments and most probably cybernetic augmentations, especially if you want to store memories and survive accidents and disease.


Ideas in the future may change that.
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 21:05 | Message # 218
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Not if there are thousands of reprogramed robots going on a mission of reprograming others


And who is going to make these robots capable of programming other robots?

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Invisible ones could be even more deadly


And who is going to make these invisible robots capable of programming other robots?

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Ideas in the future may change that.


In regards to a single chip capable of making people immortal, I am going to say that will most probably NEVER happen.

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Buffoonery.


No it isn't. Buffoonery is denying that AI will change the world.





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steeljaw354Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 21:18 | Message # 219
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Somebody probably will, some "villian" or a "rebel" World war 3? or a faction.

The chip would Only fight off sicknesses and viruses using nanobots or something. Technology will advance to the point where all sicknesses and viruses are extinct, EVERYTHING dies at some point no matter what.


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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 21:20 | Message # 220
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Somebody probably will, some "villian" or a "rebel"


Considering the resources and knowledge required to build such things that seems unlikely.

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The chip would Only fight off sicknesses and viruses using nanobots


If we are going to nanobots, then why do you need an implanted chip?





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steeljaw354Date: Saturday, 19.12.2015, 21:32 | Message # 221
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You don't, what resources are we talking? Somebody will invent "houseold service" robots and in a few years after that they will be Everywhere, now theres always a bad person in this world that wants chaos and death.

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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Tuesday, 19.01.2016, 20:04 | Message # 223
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Technological advances could kill 5 million jobs by 2020
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The World Economic Forum said advances in technology, combined with socio-economic demographic changes, could lead to the net loss of 5 million jobs in 15 major economies in 2020. The report said the job loss predictions were “relatively conservative.”

This first-of-its-kind report was released on the eve of the group’s economic forum where over 2,500 leaders from business, government and civil society will participate in an annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland. The future of jobs will be the central topic for discussion.

Referring to the transition as the “fourth industrial revolution,” the report said the jobs losses will come about because of developments in artificial intelligence, machine-learning robotics, nanotechnology, 3D printing and genetics and biotechnology. Those developments will lead to widespread disruption not only in business models, but also in labor markets, “with enormous change predicted in the skill sets needed to thrive in the new landscape.”


https://www.rt.com/usa/329384-technology-advances-killing-jobs/

World Economic Forum report on the future of jobs














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AerospacefagDate: Tuesday, 19.01.2016, 23:07 | Message # 224
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Though the rethorics in both cases are vastly different (some people are more concerned about tax evasion rather than income inequality), the question remains the same - if the outcome of the current economic crisis is far from conclusion. This inequality puts most of the humanity out of the position to rule their life - how worse can the situation get?

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An often cited case that 1% of all the world's population owns 50% of all wealth, means a wealth Gini coefficient of at least 49%.

But apparently it is not the case anymore.

62 people is 0,0000009% of worlds population. According to World Bank, Gini coefficient was around 0.7 in 00-s, and as far as I can see, it can reach 0.8+ by now without anybody noticing.


Edited by Aerospacefag - Tuesday, 19.01.2016, 23:08
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Wednesday, 20.01.2016, 19:40 | Message # 225
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Revolutionary new graphene elastomer exceeds sensitivity of human skin
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A new sponge-like material, discovered by Monash researchers, could have diverse and valuable real-life applications. The new elastomer could be used to create soft, tactile robots to help care for elderly people, perform remote surgical procedures or build highly sensitive prosthetic hands.

Graphene-based cellular elastomer, or G-elastomer, is highly sensitive to pressure and vibrations. Unlike other viscoelastic substances such as polyurethane foam or rubber, G-elastomer bounces back extremely quickly under pressure, despite its exceptionally soft nature. This unique, dynamic response has never been found in existing soft materials, and has excited and intrigued researchers Professor Dan Li and Dr Ling Qiu from the Monash Centre for Atomically Thin Materials (MCATM).


Read more at: http://phys.org/news....tml#jCp





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