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The Future of Humanity & Intelligent life in the universe
AerospacefagDate: Monday, 12.10.2015, 15:23 | Message # 181
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DoctorOfSpace, yeah, I'm not panicking, I'm very positive in my thinking. I still think there's a good chance to prevent biggest genocide in the history of mankind (like other genocides that didn't quite get imprinted in history). I'm not talking about people who panic at the sight of "brown people", I know they themselves are not capable of such things. I'm myself from the country that has more different ethnicities on it's territory than any other country in the world, so I am worried about people who value individual human life less than economic value of it.



I'm almost certain I have to invent some sort of comic novel to illustrate some of these possibilities, but I'm a bit too lazy and busy with my everyday job to go beyoond writing conceptual texts and start with actual scenario.


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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Monday, 12.10.2015, 16:39 | Message # 182
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Is an answer I see to automation.





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AerospacefagDate: Monday, 12.10.2015, 20:12 | Message # 183
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DoctorOfSpace, to be precise, this problem does not actually affect "automation", it affects the "technological advancement", which is in many aspects of it - an Utopia. It affects decision-making, not the actual jobs. There's the thing called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_wage, and I don't really get the idea of having another application of that sort.

But the reduction of poverty isn't something of achievement of World Bank or civilization at large, it is just a byproduct of financial expansionism, which never really came to an end. In the same manner, "international aid" is considered to be some sort of charity, but in fact it only helps to persuade other nations and their people in cooperation with investors. In the same manner, when World Bank declares that level of poverty is decreased it only means they want people to believe that it is Bank's achievement, it is better to stick to its ideals and help its economy.





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Sunday, 18.10.2015, 17:46 | Message # 184
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Max Tegmark @ 1:55:31
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AerospacefagDate: Sunday, 18.10.2015, 22:02 | Message # 185
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DoctorOfSpace, I don't really to continue to complain about the things these people are discussing, I just want to see where are they going to push that. Every time when politicians are bringing up such abstract, theoretical topics at such high level, I really feel like there must be some practical reason behind it, and this reason by far is not as theoretical as anybody would like it to be. There's no need to pretend like you are doing some favor for humanity, especially when you are having more pressing concerns.

For example, some people like to argue that war and arms race is something like evolution mechanism of human society, which progresses the society through competition and invention, but in practical application it always turns out to be a barbaric, irrational, resource-consuming activity that always destroys society and claims lives of best people, and we actually have to admit that at least that view is not as good as they used to think.


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leoskiniDate: Monday, 19.10.2015, 10:53 | Message # 186
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hm. My fear is that technology is after all controlled by a small number of person in the world who have the power. Corporations, governments, and so on.

One day technology would be powerful enough to handle all stages of production... mechanized extraction, mechanized transport, mechanized military...

Well, what if the world leaders decides that they don't need 7 billions working class and middle classe minions and kill us all? reducing world population to 100, or 10,000 humans who control the planet?
 
SalvoDate: Monday, 19.10.2015, 13:37 | Message # 187
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reducing world population to 100, or 10,000 humans who control the planet?

There is no way for doing that, as far as I know, and the only way to do that would destroy nature/other animals too and that would make living, for those 100/10 000 people, harder than ever. wacko





The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition.

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(still don't know why everyone is doing this...)
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Monday, 19.10.2015, 16:35 | Message # 188
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Population reduction is an unfounded alarmists point of view. No sane country would willfully destroy vast quantities of human resource, especially when the means to feed/clothe/house them is readily available.




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JackDoleDate: Monday, 19.10.2015, 17:39 | Message # 189
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Of course, the powerful would not do that, they would kill not all the billions superfluous human units. Of course they would keep several millions, as slaves, as entertainment objects, as breeding material for particularly exotic objects. If you look at what all was bred from the dog, let's see what you can do there with the people.




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leoskiniDate: Monday, 19.10.2015, 18:51 | Message # 190
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About what salvo says, i assume that by when all production on earth will be automatized, then also the killing of billions of people without collateral damage will be. I mean, a super epidemic or a nanobot who reach the brain against which only the chozens one have the antidote may be the way. is not too far from our technology, in the future we are describing it looks possible.

about what doctorofspace says... i simply ask "why"? Yeah, taking care of them might be easy, but masses are always a danger. Once you do not need anymore that workers work, they are just a problem...
 
AerospacefagDate: Monday, 19.10.2015, 21:07 | Message # 191
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Population reduction is an unfounded alarmists point of view. No sane country would willfully destroy vast quantities of human resource, especially when the means to feed/clothe/house them is readily available.

Yeah, well, as long as we speak about willful decisions of sane countries, but I know quite some countries that did not support this ideal too well. These are not the mistakes that can be learned easy way, it seems.

JackDole, leoskini, it is not like I'm doing thought experiments, I'm trying to actually figure out if there's anything possible can be done to influence the future. From the position of my engineering education at least.
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Monday, 19.10.2015, 23:52 | Message # 192
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Quote leoskini ()
a super epidemic or a nanobot who reach the brain against which only the chozens one have the antidote may be the way


That sounds familiar


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"why"?


Because any nation or group of people that doesn't do this would have an advantage over any group that does. The same logic applies to curing aging. If one nation makes it too expensive and restricts it to the rich some other nation may make it affordable and their economies and population will have a strategic advantage over those without a healthy population. Having a large population, regardless of automation, gives you the potential for greater change in shorter periods of time. You must also realize that the same technologies that would help people in power "rule the world" are also the same technologies that will begin displacing such people.

The inevitable outcome will most likely be AIs or a single ASI taking charge over all systems on Earth. Humans will be replaced in all fields and all positions. If we are lucky we will merge with such AI as it happens, if we are unlucky we may all be paperclipped.





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Friday, 23.10.2015, 02:46 | Message # 193
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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Monday, 30.11.2015, 19:23 | Message # 194
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Anti-ageing drug could let you live to 120 in good health
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The new clinical trial called Targeting Aging with Metformin, or TAME, is scheduled to begin in the US next winter. Scientists from a range of institutions are currently raising funds and recruiting 3,000 70 to 80-year-olds who have, or are at risk of, cancer, heart disease and dementia.

A baby girl born today is now expected to live to an average age of 82.8 years and a boy to 78.8 years, according to the Office for National Statistics. But if the results seen in animals are reproduced in humans, lifespan could increase by nearly 50 per cent.


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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Tuesday, 08.12.2015, 18:46 | Message # 195
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Robots Made Fast-Food Workers Obsolete: Now They Are Coming After These 791,200 Jobs

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One month ago, during the latest minimum wage protest by fast food workers, we presented the machine that would soon put most of them out of a job. We were referring to the nemesis of low-skilled burger flippers everywhere, the Momentum Machines burger maker.

The robot is shown below. It occupies 24 square feet, and is much smaller and efficient than most assembly-line fast-food operations. It provides "gourmet cooking methods never before used in a fast food restaurant" and will deposit the completed burger into a bag. It does all of this without a trace of attitude.

According to public data, the company's robot can "slice toppings like tomatoes and pickles immediately before it places the slice onto your burger, giving you the freshest burger possible." Unlike human workers, the robot is "more consistent, more sanitary, and can produce ~360 hamburgers per hour" or a burger every 10 seconds.

Furthermore, future generations of the device "will offer custom meat grinds for every single customer. Want a patty with 1/3 pork and 2/3 bison ground to order? No problem."

As the company's website adds, "our various technologies can produce an ever-growing list of common choices like salads, sandwiches, hamburgers, and many other multi-ingredient foods with a gourmet focus."

But most importantly, it has no wage demands: once one is purchashed it will work with 100% efficiency for years. And it never goes on strike.

As the company's co-founder Alexandros Vardakostas told Xconomy his "device isn’t meant to make employees more efficient. It’s meant to completely obviate them."

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