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Conspiracy Theories
Antza2Date: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 12:36 | Message # 91
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what do you guys think about the supposed ancient derelict ship on the moon from the Apollo 20 footage?

Let's just say those videos weren't very convincing biggrin
I think it's fake.





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lexrazorDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 12:44 | Message # 92
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lol i dont know if its fake or not but its fun to watch XD
they even made a website with all the info they have on it lol

http://www.ramistrip.com/000%20web%20pages/best%20image.html
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:01 | Message # 93
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Well i have been diving in the Baltic sea and i can tell you that you really can't see shit down there

Antza2, no foul language on the forum please.

And You had said earlier:
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According to the divers it's a disc shaped object of unidentified material sitting on top of a 50 meter high pedestal. Also there is a hole on top of the structure with water flowing out of it. Also electrical equipment has been malfunctioning near it. They have also said that the surface is so smooth that the divers have difficulty holding on to it.
So were the divers able to see anything or not? You said that they did first, and now you say no...

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I'd love to but unfortunately i'm stuck with my crappy netbook because i just moved to my second apartment that is closer to my school and i didn't take my proper computer with me

Oh, that's no fun sad sorry

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I would have used the sun from the original photo, duplicated it and altered the colour of the lower one.

I was trying to use the exact same image of the suns that the hoax-maker used, which was the Tatooine sunset from that exact shot from Star Wars. I was trying to show how it could have been done better, without changing the pictures being used to make the image.

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what do you guys think about the supposed ancient derelict ship on the moon from the Apollo 20 footage?

There was no Apollo 20, therefore fake.

It would be impossible to send a mission to the Moon without someone knowing about it (and by someone I mean A LOT of people). The reverse is true as well, to any Apollo hoaxers out there. You can't fake sending people to the Moon, it's impossible.





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:06
 
Antza2Date: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:10 | Message # 94
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Antza2, no foul language on the forum please.


Sorry. No offence intended smile

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So were the divers able to see anything or not? You said that they did first, and now you say no...

I meant that you can see a little bit (like a few meters) but you can't see the whole object at once. There are actual photographs of the object:



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was trying to use the exact same image of the suns that the hoax-maker used, which was the Tatooine sunset from that exact shot from Star Wars. I was trying to show how it could have been done better, without changing the pictures being used to make the image.


Ah. Ok smile

Edit: The picture with the pebbles is from the top of the object and it was taken as proof that the object is older than the ice age. (The ice carried the pebbles and dropped them on top of it as the ice melted

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Edited by Antza2 - Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:12
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:21 | Message # 95
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Sorry. No offence intended

I'm not offended, it's just forbidden in the forum rules (which I happen to agree with) and I'm a moderator, so...

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I meant that you can see a little bit (like a few meters) but you can't see the whole object at once.

Ah okay. That is was I was thinking at first.

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There are actual photographs of the object:

I see nothing that looks very unnatural. The only one that looks interesting is the first image, and it is too small to clearly show anything, all I see is a crater-like feature covered in sediment. It is certainly interesting, but it does not look artificial.

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The picture with the pebbles is from the top of the object and it was taken as proof that the object is older than the ice age. (The ice carried the pebbles and dropped them on top of it as the ice melted

So the only pictures that exist so far show a surface covered in sediment and rocks, just like the rest of the sea floor? This does not look very convincing of anything extraordinary to me.

Perhaps there is an interesting object down at the bottom of the sea. I just haven't seen anything so far that proves it. When the evidence exists, I'll be very excited to see it.





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:24
 
Antza2Date: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:40 | Message # 96
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I'm not offended, it's just forbidden in the forum rules (which I happen to agree with) and I'm a moderator, so...

I understand completely smile

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So the only pictures that exist so far show a surface covered in sediment and rocks, just like the rest of the sea floor? This does not look very convincing of anything extraordinary to me.


I agree that the pictures are a bit of a letdown but they have stated that they don't usually operate in waters this deep and that they have had very limited time during their expedition because of their gear. Fortunately they managed to take samples during the last dive and have brought them to Stockholm University for study smile

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So the only pictures that exist so far show a surface covered in sediment and rocks, just like the rest of the sea floor? This does not look very convincing of anything extraordinary to me.


But if the structure had been constructed after the ice age it wouldn't have those rocks on top of it (some experts had said that it probably is a Nazi submarine trap. These pictures disprove that.)

Edit: They are also currently using a machine that can render a 3D image of the ocean floor and the object.





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Edited by Antza2 - Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:42
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:55 | Message # 97
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But if the structure had been constructed after the ice age it wouldn't have those rocks on top of it (some experts had said that it probably is a Nazi submarine trap. These pictures disprove that.)

True.

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I agree that the pictures are a bit of a letdown but they have stated that they don't usually operate in waters this deep and that they have had very limited time during their expedition because of their gear.

I understand their limitations. One good picture to get would be at one of the "corners" shown in the initial sonar images, where three straight lines converge at 90° angles. That would have been fascinating to see.





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Antza2Date: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 14:58 | Message # 98
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I understand their limitations. One good picture to get would be at one of the "corners" shown in the initial sonar images, where three straight lines converge at 90° angles. That would have been fascinating to see.

I guess we'll have to wait them to finish the 3d scan and for the university to tell what they think of the samples cool

Edit: What i think:

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Edited by Antza2 - Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 15:02
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 15:13 | Message # 99
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Edit: What i think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qGTjIcVDAU
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I guess we'll have to wait them to finish the 3d scan and for the university to tell what they think of the samples

I probably would not fully trust any account that was not independently verified and peer reviewed, though I'm glad that they are continuing to progress towards figuring out what it is. The ultimate proof for me would be if they were able to raise this thing from the sea, though that would be difficult, expensive, and potentially damaging to the object. The next best thing would be a thorough investigation of the object in the sea, with a photographic map of its entire accessible surface, and pictures of locations with the sediments removed so we can see its native surface material.





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Antza2Date: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 15:26 | Message # 100
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The ultimate proof for me would be if they were able to raise this thing from the sea, though that would be difficult, expensive, and potentially damaging to the object.

Since the object is 60 meter wide i think that's impossible.

Edit (I need to stop making these edits wacko ):
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I probably would not fully trust any account that was not independently verified and peer reviewed

I think if Stockholm University is investigating the object i can also trust in the validity of the findings.





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Edited by Antza2 - Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 15:30
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 15:57 | Message # 101
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Since the object is 60 meter wide i think that's impossible.

It is 60 feet (18 meters), the length of a medium sized jet fighter. Much larger objects have been raised before I think. It all depends on its mass. If it's hollow, it could be raised fairly easily. If it is solid, then it would be much harder.

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I think if Stockholm University is investigating the object i can also trust in the validity of the findings.

I know, it's not that I distrust Stockholm university, it's that I don't automatically give credence to data obtained by one source, at least not unless it has gone through a certain process of review. Because there was only one group involved in gathering the samples, and one university involved in examining them, then errors could more easily arise and not be accounted for. I don't distrust either organization, it's just that it takes rigorous standards of evidence to satisfy my skepticism smile





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Antza2Date: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 16:02 | Message # 102
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It is 60 feet (18 meters), the length of a medium sized jet fighter. Much larger objects have been raised before I think. It all depends on its mass. If it's hollow, it could be raised fairly easily. If it is solid, then it would be much harder.

Oops! I reversed the sizes in my head wacko . That would indeed be pretty easy to lift if it's hollow.

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it's that I don't automatically give credence to data obtained by one source, at least not unless it has gone through a certain process of review. Because there was only one group involved in gathering the samples, and one university involved in examining them, then errors could more easily arise and not be accounted for. I don't distrust either organization, it's just that it takes rigorous standards of evidence to satisfy my skepticism


I agree that certain amount of skepticism is required. In my comment i mainly meant the findings they make from the samples they were given.





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 19:06 | Message # 103
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No, it's clearly the Ebon Hawk


I completely forgot about KOTOR

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It pains me how ignorant and credulous people can be sometimes


They can't see the terribly misaligned pixels?

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I meant that you can see a little bit (like a few meters) but you can't see the whole object at once. There are actual photographs of the object:


To me it looks like something from a city. Like a big stone slab thats ended up underwater and worn away after all this time. I really doubt it was ever anything alien or, at it's size and weight, ever flew. Still an interesting object.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 19:22 | Message # 104
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at it's size and weight, ever flew

As far as I know it has yet to be weighed, its composition is still undergoing analysis, and its size is smaller than many flying machines constructed by humans. Even the space shuttle orbiter was bigger, and it was orbit capable.

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They can't see the terribly misaligned pixels?

That, and apparently they don't know that Mars has only one sun dry





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Wednesday, 15.08.2012, 19:26 | Message # 105
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As far as I know it has yet to be weighed, its composition is still undergoing analysis, and its size is smaller than many flying machines constructed by humans. Even the space shuttle orbiter was bigger, and it was orbit capable.


Now that is more interesting. From pages I've been reading they have weight estimations all over the place, and size I meant by what people were estimating as density.

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they don't know that Mars has only one sun


Hey wait a second.....





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