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Conspiracy Theories
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 20:51 | Message # 46
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I wonder if you have ever read anything remotely about what really happened in the Rendlesham Forest incident


Read books about it, seen TV shows about it, and read about it online. There is no available physical evidence besides a man talking into an audio recorder. Sure there are plenty of eyewitnesses who say they saw the object, some who say they touched it, but this isn't evidence.

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Seriously, get informed.


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Do you actually have any idea where that image comes from?


If I remember correctly the original came from a Belgian sighting in either 1989 or 1990.


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You are just picking the cases that tell the official story, but I think you as many just hide trying to be objective when most likely haven't read about it in your life.


Its less about being objective, more about being learning about both sides of the discussion and finding the evidence that supports the claims. From what I've seen in terms of evidence Blue Book is closer to reality than aliens.

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Project Blue Book was a project to shut people's mouth. An attempt to make UFO phenomenon look like something embarrassing. It was never about the truth.


If the military was testing secret aircraft, which they were, they would definitely not tell the truth about them considering the cold war was going on at the time.





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Edited by DoctorOfSpace - Monday, 13.08.2012, 21:10
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 20:53 | Message # 47
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Amazing and you call your self Doctor of Space LOL. Bizarre.

Can we please refrain from personal attacks here? If you have an argument to make, then make it and let it stand on its own merit. That goes for everyone here.

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For not believing I don't even believe in god.

What does this mean?

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Project Blue Book was a project to shut people's mouth.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but do you have any evidence to support this?





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jtmedinaDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 20:56 | Message # 48
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Because the evidence usually leads to discrediting being the appropriate action, not because no one cares to investigate. You seem to think that if someone accepts none of these stories, then they are not being open-minded. That is not the case. I am an exceptionally open-minded individual, I give ear to all manner of crazy ideas and I give them all consideration. I research, I investigate, and I ponder, because the one thing I care about most in the world is truth.

That said, I've never encountered a UFO report that lead me to conclude that it was most likely to be an alien spacecraft, and I have seen very few that could not be easily discredited.


You haven't read enough. Believe me you have really read about the subject you'd know this is not just military projects.

No problem half truth and smooth people prevails in this hypocrite world. Keep making laugh and discrediting. That's the only thing that matters these days.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but do you have any evidence to support this?


Do you want me to prove something like that on this forum?. Seriously. If it was that simple everyone would already know that.

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What does this mean?


I think we are on our own and who/What ever had created this universe is no longer among us.

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Can we please refrain from personal attacks here? If you have an argument to make, then make it and let it stand on its own merit. That goes for everyone here.


He started it posting that insulting poster of "I want to believe".


Edited by jtmedina - Monday, 13.08.2012, 20:58
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 21:01 | Message # 49
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You haven't read enough. Believe me you have really read about the subject you'd know this is not just military projects.

I have read a lot on this subject, don't presume to judge how much I know based on how much I agree with you.

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If it was that simple everyone would already know that.

Well if you "know" that, then there has to be conclusive, irrefutable evidence to support it. Otherwise you don't "know", you "believe".

And as I wrote on the previous page, please stop with the double posts. If you have something to add, edit your previous post.





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SolarisDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 21:02 | Message # 50
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Not only Military blackops can't be take as ufo, natural even too.
Few years back i was in the middle of the atlantic on a sailboat, it was a very dark night with no moon, and a falling star made a big part of the sky going green, with big trailed behind it, but most impressive was the noise. If I had not seen the actual shooting star with my own eyes, I could have sworn it was a UFO. My buddy who was inside has heard and saw the sky through windows, he was like wooow was that a UFO??

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Do you actually have any idea where that image comes from?
Belgian joke !


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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 21:04 | Message # 51
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He started it posting that insulting poster of "I want to believe".


That was a harmless joke referencing the X-files.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 21:05 | Message # 52
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I think we are on our own and who/What ever had created this universe is no longer among us.

I would agree with this.

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He started it posting that insulting poster of "I want to believe".

Regardless of whether it was a personal attack or not, I asked everyone to refrain from it. I don't care who started it, it stops now.





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DoctorOfSpaceDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 21:21 | Message # 53
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So now that the thread has gone all over the place on this topic of UFOs how about we go onto Ancient Aliens?

Terrific show that definitely belongs on History channel dry . If you haven't ever seen it, here is a link to the first episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgJ7-R4Zpbk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens

Not a new conspiracy theory, pretty old actually but its still a "fun" show to watch.





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Edited by DoctorOfSpace - Monday, 13.08.2012, 21:21
 
jtmedinaDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 21:49 | Message # 54
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Belgian joke !


Prove it
 
SolarisDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 22:29 | Message # 55
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There is plenty of interview of the guy who took this picture over the web here, here or here for exemple.

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jtmedinaDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 22:47 | Message # 56
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There is plenty of interview of the guy who took this picture over the web here, here or here for exemple.


The last video, Can you find an English translation?. I am really interested to know what he is saying.

Besides, does one hoax make a whole case invalid?, Because a lot of people including the military saw things including pilots who tracked objects in the radar and objects moving 10+ gs in a few seconds. Because one photo was hoaxed it doesn't mean they are all lying.
When someone fakes something everyone just jumps to claim everything was just a hoax, when there are many details about this case that makes it genuine.

Belgian UFO Wave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pmEIw_JZag

Local radar stations detected and tracked them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7psGj4M1ZI

I think this is just disinformation to discredit the whole case.


Edited by jtmedina - Monday, 13.08.2012, 22:49
 
j0KeRDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 22:59 | Message # 57
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I think we are on our own and who/What ever had created this universe is no longer among us.


What makes you say that, do you really feel so alone ? Did you ever think that all these maybe a test one that probably we wont get an answer to , its a little more theological question rather being on topic but i was wondering.

Guys there are many things that cant or wont be explained but i know one thing imho you should focus your mind in one thing at a time trying to explain and interpret many unexplained phenomena will get you lost and you wont know whats truth and whats not, im not saying that you shouldn't seek for the truth quite the contrary but too much information is useless.





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SolarisDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 23:00 | Message # 58
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The last video, Can you find an English translation?. I am really interested to know what he is saying.
I dont think there is any translation of that. basicaly he say that he made the picture not because of the ufo wave but because of the people who tell him about, he made a joke.

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Besides, does one hoax make a whole case invalid?
I never say that.

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When someone fakes something everyone just jumps to claim everything was just a hoax,

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I think this is just disinformation to discredit the whole case.
I have only talked about the picture.
 
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What makes you say that, do you really feel so alone ?

Not believing in an involved creator does not mean that you must feel alone. It's just that there is no reason to think that there is such a being, and there is good reason to think the contrary. Almost every incarnation of "god" specified by various religions is readily falsifiable. If someone did create the universe, they certainly don't interfere in its operation in any way, and so for all practical purposes they may as well not exist.





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jtmedinaDate: Monday, 13.08.2012, 23:12 | Message # 60
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I found this interview related to the video you posted solaris.

http://translate.google.com/transla....re.html

Interesting interview.
 
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