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HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 18:11 | Message # 511
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If you can't explain it with natural a process, it must be alien.

You keep suggesting this. This is a false dichotomy. For any given phenomenon there is a nearly infinite number of possible explanations. If you can't explain it, all that means is that you can't explain it. "I don't know" simply means "I don't know". You cannot reasonably say "I don't know, therefore aliens".

Also, it was totally unnecessary for you to delete your previous posts, I don't understand what purpose that serves. If you wanted to reboot the conversation or take it in a different direction, everyone here is more than willing to do that regardless of your post history.





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steeljaw354Date: Monday, 30.05.2016, 18:22 | Message # 512
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Well if it's not possible by natural processes it is alien like building or something like that and I also think it is possible that they edit these images to scrub out building and whatnot that could be there. I'm not saying the ridge or things on Ceres are alien constructs of some sort, I'm saying they could be I just don't know. I don't think everything out there is aliens, I just think it's a possibility that they exist in our system and governments hide them to prevent mass panic/crime/destruction/etc because if they did reveal that stuff that would most certainly happen. I just didn't expect there to be a huge ridge on a barren lifeless moon. Something had to cause it, asteroid impact? erosion?

I deleted those posts because I wanted to start over without referencing them, and they led to a week ban and bans are something I Do Not like to discuss with the community and it's really embarrassing to see the reproof levels and whatnot.

It's possible aliens visited our system millions or billions of years ago and there is no proof to support it, but there is also no proof against it.


Edited by steeljaw354 - Monday, 30.05.2016, 18:33
 
MosfetDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 18:55 | Message # 513
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I just think it's a possibility that they exist in our system and governments hide them to prevent mass panic/crime/destruction/etc because if they did reveal that stuff that would most certainly happen

Have you ever actually considered how elaborate a cover-up like this needs to be? Orchestrated by who? Who's the keeper of the Truth? Also, I always fail to see why the proof of alien existence would cause mass panic. Why??? Destruction?? crimes? surges? I admit humans have proven many times in history of being inherently stupid, and they continue to do so, but I have hope nonetheless.





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midtskogenDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 19:02 | Message # 514
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If you can't explain it with natural a process, it must be alien.

No, then I made it.





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steeljaw354Date: Monday, 30.05.2016, 19:08 | Message # 515
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Well if it's out there and it's not natural and not manmade then it is alien, I'm just not sure if they are hiding them, don't think that I do think they do.

Edited by steeljaw354 - Monday, 30.05.2016, 19:08
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 19:08 | Message # 516
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Well if it's not possible by natural processes it is alien like building or something like that and I also think it is possible that they edit these images to scrub out building and whatnot that could be there.

You're conflating "not yet explained" with "not possible". They are NOT the same thing. There are many things that have at some point not been explained, and then were later discovered to have a natural explanation (Watsisname already gave some examples of exactly that).

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I deleted those posts because I wanted to start over without referencing them

You could have done that without deleting them.

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they led to a week ban and bans are something I Do Not like to discuss with the community and it's really embarrassing to see the reproof levels and whatnot.

No one's asking you to discuss anything, and anyway the record of your ban exists regardless of whether the posts exist or not, so your deleting them was a totally nonsensical action if that was your goal.

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there is also no proof against it.

There's also no proof against many other things that you haven't suggested here, so why are you fixating on aliens?





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midtskogenDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 19:16 | Message # 517
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Well if it's out there and it's not natural and not manmade then it is alien

Prove that I didn't make them. If you can't, you surely must become convinced that I actually made them?





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steeljaw354Date: Monday, 30.05.2016, 19:19 | Message # 518
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Why don't we discuss the hollow earth then? Sounds crazy right? Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeMzOhoJpfw basically take that concept and apply it on Earth scale, the earth has liquid inside of it so it will probably follow the same concept. The crust will push out to the outside and there would be a space inside.

Many people say stuff about aliens/demons inside the earth and let's leave that aside for a moment and discuss the structure itself. This might be possible with a differentiated planet that rotates rather fast like earth.


Edited by steeljaw354 - Monday, 30.05.2016, 19:21
 
apenpaapDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 19:23 | Message # 519
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The reason that happens in this case is because the water is essentially pulled against the surface by centrifugal force, making the lighter air 'float' to the centre. This can't happen with Earth, because Earth's gravity is greater than centrifugal force, so instead the 'water' gets pulled to the centre and the 'air' floats to the outsides. We know this, because if the situations were equivalent, we'd be thrown off the Earth's surface into space by centrifugal force.




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OstariskDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 22:09 | Message # 520
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So, earth turns itself inside-out.. okay...
Also, if the earth is hollow(and we are on the inside), how do you suppose day and night are created? Where does the moon fit into this picture? If a star is inside the earth, won't the earth become scorched by this mini star?






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steeljaw354Date: Monday, 30.05.2016, 23:19 | Message # 521
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I'm saying we are on the outside. The concave earth theory is complete nonsense. I'm saying something a little like this



It might not even be that at all, might be dark or smaller spaces. It might not even be a star. We have sent spacecrafts further than pluto but we have not drilled even 20 miles into our earth, we will expect many surprises.


Edited by steeljaw354 - Monday, 30.05.2016, 23:25
 
WatsisnameDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 23:39 | Message # 522
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Why don't we discuss the hollow earth then? Sounds crazy right? Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeMzOhoJpfw basically take that concept and apply it on Earth scale, the earth has liquid inside of it so it will probably follow the same concept. The crust will push out to the outside and there would be a space inside.

Many people say stuff about aliens/demons inside the earth and let's leave that aside for a moment and discuss the structure itself. This might be possible with a differentiated planet that rotates rather fast like earth.


Okay. Let's test it by applying physics. Let's consider the strength of the outward acceleration due to Earth's rotation along the equatorial band (where it is strongest) to the inward acceleration due to gravity. I'll use the whiteboard:



Check it out. The outward acceleration due to Earth's rotation grows linearly with radius. So does the inward acceleration due to gravity. So the ratio of the two is the same for all radii. (Though not the same latitude -- the outward centripetal acceleration decreases as cosine of latitude, which is why I use the equator for the maximum).

And guess what, the MOST outward acceleration you can have due to Earth's rotation is just 0.3% as strong as the inward acceleration due to gravity. The rotation cannot cause the core to be pushed outward to form a hollow Earth.

Sorry! The idea sounds crazy because it is. Even basic physics disproves it. So does seismology...





 
steeljaw354Date: Monday, 30.05.2016, 23:56 | Message # 523
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But that doesn't rule out substation inner spaces like huge caves that could be less then 100 miles in width.

Edited by steeljaw354 - Monday, 30.05.2016, 23:58
 
WatsisnameDate: Monday, 30.05.2016, 23:58 | Message # 524
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But it does rule out your original argument. Sorry. And your new argument is still wrong, and we know that thanks to how seismic waves travel through the Earth.




 
steeljaw354Date: Tuesday, 31.05.2016, 00:02 | Message # 525
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Yeah so. Every well established religion has a version of an underworld and even if you strip out all the divine stuff, every well known established and recognized religion has some base in fact. An underworld in a sense could be a big huge cave miles wide that only certain people know how to find.

You may have debunked the whole hollow earth but not big caves.
 
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