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WatsisnameDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 03:02 | Message # 466
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It's also not very nice when someone tries to engage in a serious discussion with you in good faith, exerts effort to address your points and back up their own with hard evidence, and then just ignore everything they've said. If you were really serious about this topic, you would address the points that have been made to you.


I'll add that this is exactly the reason why you (steeljaw) earned time off from the forum before.

You are free to post about anything within the confines of the forum rules, and you don't have to be afraid of people calling you silly or stupid. However, if people engage with you sincerely, ask you questions, or point out errors in your claims, then we do expect you to be able to make a reasonable effort to understand and respond instead of basically just ignoring them. Effort in a conversation must work both ways. You do not get to disengage by telling them "Say whatever you want" in response. This is extremely disrespectful and will earn you another ban if you continue to do that.

With that said, I am still curious what you thought of the abstract I showed you in response to your question earlier. Did it give you anything to reconsider as to your understanding of the general existence of salts and water in asteroids?

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What formed the ridge then?


Here is the process by which we learn the answers to such questions in a scientific framework, instead of going "I dunno, therefore aliens."

Iapetus' equatorial ridge is pretty neat and unique, but it isn't that mysterious, nor does it require or even imply an artificial construction as explanation.

Finally, I'd like to say that I do think there is an essentially zero probability that we are the only life in the universe. It is very vast, and stars, planets and the basic materials and processes which can lead to life as we know it, are very common. So I think it'd be extremely surprising if we are actually alone. However, this doesn't mean every blurry picture of a mountain or rock should be interpreted as "OMG ALIENS". Human vision is pretty easy to fool,



and usually such trivial observations end up having very mundane (even if very interesting) natural explanations. If you want to find life beyond earth, your best bet is to get involved in observations of exoplanet atmospheres, or some form of SETI, like the Breakthrough Listen Initiative.





 
WatsisnameDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 03:30 | Message # 467
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Hornblower, Thanks, now I will be unable to not think about that when I see the film again. tongue




 
HarbingerDawnDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 03:34 | Message # 468
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Stare at the +

Holy cow, that's amazing. That's easily my new favorite optical illusion.





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WatsisnameDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 04:11 | Message # 469
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I had the same reaction when I first saw it. Truly an excellent illusion. smile




 
HornblowerDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 04:15 | Message # 470
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Wow, we should have a thread for optical illusions. Here's my addition to the illusions and I have no explanation. When you look at a clock that actually ticks, the second hand seems to take longer to tick to the next second, but then continues at a normal speed.

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meegjaDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 06:25 | Message # 471
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Okay, my own UFO sighting smile An UFO sighting in Haarlem, the Netherlands, 8 o'clock in the evening, 12th April 2014







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WatsisnameDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 07:07 | Message # 472
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Not very clear, but looks consistent with an object hanging from a pack of balloons.




 
meegjaDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 07:22 | Message # 473
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Not very clear, but looks consistent with an object hanging from a pack of balloons.

That or one balloon which is outside the pack. But this only became clear when I was zooming is. With the naked it eye it was an object which was moving very slowly and it's flying path was not straight but with a kinda slowly weaving motion. Really was an odd sight until I used my cam smile





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midtskogenDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 10:03 | Message # 474
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I find it curious that a species capable of interstellar travel chooses stone as their primary or possibly only building material. Even if intelligent life is common in the galaxy, it's unexpected that a species enters the space age before leaving the stone age.

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Faith is belief in something without regard for any evidence for or against it

Not really. It rather fills in the gap left by doubt, lack of evidence or conflicting evidence.





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JackDoleDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 14:05 | Message # 475
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I find it curious that a species capable of interstellar travel chooses stone as their primary or possibly only building material. Even if intelligent life is common in the galaxy, it's unexpected that a species enters the space age before leaving the stone age.

I do not see why a really highly advanced civilization should not use materials that can be found everywhere, and do not require a high energy demand, for their production and deployment.
In order to build a science fiction plastic dome, you need a whole industry, a stone pyramid needs only stones and manpower. And the manpower is not a problem if you have antigravity. dry

Let's say, some aliens are crash-landed on Earth. Even alien technology is certainly not infallible. Or, perhaps they have been so damaged in a space combat, and they have made it just to the earth.

Hyperdrive is broken, the associated hypercom also.

How to give a possible search team a sign: Hello, here we are!

Very easily. They persuaded the primitive natives to build pyramids! And with the remaining primitive supporting technologies such as antigravity, it is also not a problem!

Probably the pyramids are therefore only signal marks of stranded aliens. biggrin



I mean it quite seriously that really highly advanced civilizations could be returned to the use of simple materials such as stone and wood. Especially on primitive worlds, where these materials are available, but no industry.

Technical and civilizational progress we equate with complicated and artificial.
But our primitive way of thinking does not necessarily apply to highly developed civilizations.





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midtskogenDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 17:51 | Message # 476
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how did Prehistoric humans with primitive technology build a pyramid, stone henge, and all the other big and huge tall structures that are dated to be really old. I'm not saying its aliens but how could they do that with simple tools?

They had one of the most powerful tools there is: patience.





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apenpaapDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 18:03 | Message # 477
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How can you debunk Every UFO sighting as being a simple "balloon" or "plane" ?


Quite simple: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Aliens coming to Earth (not aliens existing in the first place, which due to the size of the universe is practically a certainty) is a very big claim. The burden of proof is on those who claim aliens visit us, not on those who are skeptical. It is not up to us to prove every UFO sighting ever claimed is a balloon or a plane (or Venus, or a club's spotlights shining on clouds, or a sundog, or a meteor, or a hallucination, or the ISS, etc.), it's up to you to provide proof any of them is real. And it would take only a single one to prove us wrong.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 18:37 | Message # 478
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how did Prehistoric humans with primitive technology build a pyramid

One block at a time, of course. If you mean how EXACTLY was it done, there are numerous ways in which it could have been done with ancient technology. Moving the stones would have been the easiest part, there are numerous ways to do that. Getting them up the pyramid wouldn't be terribly complicated either, you just use ramps, supplemented by some other system employing mechanical advantage. There are many many articles and documentaries out there showing how it can be done, I'm surprised you haven't come across them.

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stone henge

I saw a demonstration one time where a single guy was able to lift and place huge stones in exactly that configuration using nothing but stone and wooden planks, proving that it would have been a relatively simple task for the people who built Stonehenge. Clever people can do all kinds of amazing things with simple technology.

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And how do you expect prehistoric humans to make crystal skulls with simple tools like hammers and chisels?

There are no such things as ancient crystal skulls. The crystal skulls were fakes created in the 19th century.

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How did they do the nazca lines with simple tools without seeing what it looks like from above?

It doesn't take a genius to pace out a design and clear some ground. It's like how people can gather in mass numbers to form letters or pictures with their bodies. They can't see what shape they're making, but they can still execute the plan without someone flying overhead guiding them. I don't get why you think that flight is necessary for this.

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How can you debunk Every UFO sighting as being a simple "balloon" or "plane" ?

Who said anything about balloons or planes? Besides that, the vast majority of UFO sightings are readily attributable to mundane phenomena. Almost every supposed UFO sighting I've been shown is quite easily identifiable as either something natural or some human activity.

But even if something is truly unidentifiable, that doesn't mean it's automatically aliens. I myself have seen UFOs. I saw something one time that I cannot attribute to any natural phenomenon or human activity that I know of. But I don't go around declaring aliens. Do you know why? It's because I have no evidence at all that what I saw was the result of extraterrestrial intelligence.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 18:42 | Message # 479
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Explain this.

LOL That's a rocket launch, I've seen many that look just like it.





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apenpaapDate: Sunday, 22.05.2016, 18:50 | Message # 480
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Well I can't prove every single one, but the sheer number of sightings/abductions/etc is enough for me. Some are certainly hoaxes or lies.

Explain this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb87kpztOG4


The amount of people who know absolutely nothing about the (night) sky are very large. Whenever Venus is visible, especially during evenings, UFO sightings increase greatly worldwide. There are 7 billion people in the world; it's not very hard to get a massive number of sightings even if only a single percent jumps to the conclusion that it's aliens whenever they see something unusual in the sky. The number of sightings doesn't matter if they're all spurious.





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