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HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 01:26 | Message # 1
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Discuss anything/everything related to Tesla in this thread



In its latest demonstration of superlative quality, the Tesla Model S has received the highest safety rating ever given to any vehicle.

Here are a few choice quotes concerning the testing process:

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During testing at an independent facility, the Model S refused to turn over via the normal methods and special means were needed to induce the car to roll.

So the car is basically immune to rollovers under normal conditions.

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Of note, during validation of Model S roof crush protection at an independent commercial facility, the testing machine failed at just above 4 g's. While the exact number is uncertain due to Model S breaking the testing machine, what this means is that at least four additional fully loaded Model S vehicles could be placed on top of an owner's car without the roof caving in.

They put the car's roof to the test and IT BROKE THE TESTING MACHINE.

You can read the rest here: http://www.teslamotors.com/about....-tested





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Friday, 20.12.2013, 00:46
 
midtskogenDate: Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 06:04 | Message # 2
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Any news on when Model S will have a go at Euro NCAP?

I haven't seen any of these on the road here yet, though many of them are on their way to Norway these days. Model S costs about the same here as in the US, while a similar powered regular car costs about three times as much making the Model S extremely attractive here (not to mention benefits (ridiculous in my opinion) like free parking and access to the taxi/bus lane). With this advantage I doubt Tesla will be able to keep up the production to meet the demand from the Norwegian market, but the taxing situation can change overnight (so those who preordered 1-2 years ago have been taking a high risk).





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HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 06:16 | Message # 3
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I haven't seen any of these on the road here yet, though many of them are on their way to Norway these days.

Deliveries in Europe, starting with Norway, began on August 7. The first owner took his Model S on a 2,000 km road trip from Oslo to Nordkapp smile



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Any news on when Model S will have a go at Euro NCAP?

I haven't heard anything about that, but I'll make a note of it here if I find out anything.

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With this advantage I doubt Tesla will be able to keep up the production to meet the demand from the Norwegian market

Hopefully so smile





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 06:19
 
midtskogenDate: Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 07:11 | Message # 4
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According to this article he drove 2700 km using 474 kWh.

It costs about the same as my current car, a VW Sharan, but while electric cars are getting larger, it's still too small for us.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 07:39 | Message # 5
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but while electric cars are getting larger, it's still too small for us.

Would the Model X be large enough? It should be available in a couple of years.





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midtskogenDate: Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 08:05 | Message # 6
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Would the Model X be large enough? It should be available in a couple of years.

It would be a stretch. Our requirement was to be able to fit three child seats (which are big and clunky) in the second row. That need will eventually disappear as they grow older, but I assume it will always be hard to change to a car with less luggage room anyway. The second issue is whether the range will suffice to make it useful as the only car for a family. So far electric cars have really only been useful as secondary cars and I've found the environmental side of the Norwegian model of extremely different taxing regimes somewhat questionable, since it's really a huge incentive for families to buy a second car which they otherwise would do without, little else. But I think the range of the Tesla cars is in the borderland of being able to change that.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 08:50 | Message # 7
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That need will eventually disappear as they grow older, but I assume it will always be hard to change to a car with less luggage room anyway.

Keep in mind that the large compartment in the front of the vehicle which would normally house the engine is used for storage space in Tesla cars, so there's more storage space than there might seem at first glance.

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But I think the range of the Tesla cars is in the borderland of being able to change that.

Couple the car's range with the 25 minute charging capability offered by the Supercharger stations (now being built in Norway, and which would be finished by the time Model X comes out) and you should be able to drive to most places in the country with a level of convenience nearing that of non-electric cars, and with no fuel expenses. By the end of the decade there may be no remaining disadvantages to owning an EV.

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Our requirement was to be able to fit three child seats (which are big and clunky) in the second row.

I'm not sure how well that would work in the Model X. Elon has talked about the degree to which child seats were taken in mind when designing the car (the falcon wing doors allow you to walk into the car and directly place the seat rather than awkwardly maneuver it into place, and there is also room to stand up in the second row, or so he has said). Knowing his typical design requirements it wouldn't surprise me if you could fit three child seats in that row with little difficulty. But the only way to know would be for someone to test it.





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midtskogenDate: Tuesday, 20.08.2013, 09:17 | Message # 8
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Keep in mind that the large compartment in the front of the vehicle which would normally house the engine is used for storage space in Tesla cars

I know, but a minivan has still more volume, and room for big objects as well. One could always add a ski box, though (at the cost of reducing the range).

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it wouldn't surprise me if you could fit three child seats in that row with little difficulty

I think most cars offer ISOFIX attachment points these days, so the question becomes whether only the side seats will have ISOFIX or whether all three will have it.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Friday, 30.08.2013, 05:41 | Message # 9
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Tesla's first Supercharger stations in Europe open today in Norway!






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midtskogenDate: Sunday, 01.09.2013, 18:25 | Message # 10
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Tesla's first Supercharger stations in Europe open today in Norway

Is the supercharger sensitive to temperature in a significant way? Does it work well in winter, in -20C - 30C?





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HarbingerDawnDate: Sunday, 01.09.2013, 18:51 | Message # 11
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Is the supercharger sensitive to temperature in a significant way? Does it work well in winter, in -20C - 30C?

According to information published by Tesla, Supercharger performance is not affected by any climate conditions except for extremely hot weather (>38 °C). So it should work pretty well in all conditions. However, since the information on the website was probably published with the concerns of the then-current consumers (Americans) in mind, they might not have considered the effects of temperatures below -20 °C or so, since it doesn't get colder than that in most places in the United States. But this is just speculation on my part, I don't know how inclusive their data set was on which they based the published information (though I doubt they considered temperatures of -100 and +100 wink ).

Mostly though the cold will only affect the performance of the car itself.





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Sunday, 01.09.2013, 20:05
 
midtskogenDate: Thursday, 03.10.2013, 10:57 | Message # 12
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Norway will be a good test for Tesla, then. If it works here, it's good enough. If it breaks down in Siberian temperatures (<-40), it might not matter much as an alternative to conventional fuel as petrol/diesel tends to turn into a wax in those temperatures anyway.

Added (03.09.2013, 17:28)
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To ten car models sold in August in Asker and Bærum in Norway, two big commuter municipalities. Tesla Model S is #4.

Model #cars %
1. BMW 1 series 35 5.0
2. Nissan Leaf 33 4.7
3. Volkswagen Golf 32 4.5
4. Tesla Model S 31 4.4
5. Toyota Yaris 29 4.1
6. Skoda Octavia 27 3.8
7. Mazda CX-5 26 3.7
8. Audi A3 24 3.4
9. Volkswagen Tiguan 23 3.3
10. Volkswagen Passat 22 3.1

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Tesla on fire:


Model S is everywhere here now. On my way to and from work, about 30 km, I usually see 1-3 of them every day.





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Edited by midtskogen - Thursday, 03.10.2013, 10:58
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 03.10.2013, 11:37 | Message # 13
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Tesla on fire:

As some of the commenters pointed out, the fire is pretty suspicious. In a Tesla there are no important systems located at the front of the car. The battery is located in the middle and the motor at the rear. So it seems unlikely that anything related to the car's systems would have contributed to the fire, though it's not impossible (heater malfunction or some dashboard system electrical short?). Or it could have been caused by something that the driver was storing in the frunk. It is even possible - though certainly unlikely - that this event was staged by wealthy interests which feel threatened by Tesla (how could the recorder identify the car as being brand new when virtually the whole thing was obscured by fire?). In any case, a very curious fire.





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Thursday, 03.10.2013, 11:49
 
midtskogenDate: Thursday, 03.10.2013, 12:08 | Message # 14
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In any case, a very curious fire.

Yes. Heater or electrical problems can only explain how a fire can start. But what's fuelling the fire here? Is the front made up of any highly flammable materials?





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HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 03.10.2013, 14:50 | Message # 15
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Tesla had this to say about the incident:

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Yesterday, a Model S collided with a large metallic object in the middle of the road, causing significant damage to the vehicle. The car’s alert system signaled a problem and instructed the driver to pull over safely, which he did. No one was injured, and the sole occupant had sufficient time to exit the vehicle safely and call the authorities. Subsequently, a fire caused by the substantial damage sustained during the collision was contained to the front of the vehicle thanks to the design and construction of the vehicle and battery pack. All indications are that the fire never entered the interior cabin of the car. It was extinguished on-site by the fire department.

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But what's fuelling the fire here?

Perhaps the driver had flammable cargo stored in the frunk.

EDIT: Some people have posted good information and useful speculation about the fire on the Tesla forums in this thread.





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Edited by HarbingerDawn - Thursday, 03.10.2013, 15:41
 
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