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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 02:44 | Message # 1936
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Saw the ORS-3 launch. Was... underwhelming, to say the least. Minotaur I is nowhere near as impressive as Minotaur IV/V.




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WatsisnameDate: Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 08:54 | Message # 1937
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When I read that it was a Minotaur I and not a V like with LADEE I wiki'd the specs. It's a much smaller rocket and with less thrust, which makes sense since it's just taking a small payload to LEO. Even so, I didn't expect it to be that much fainter.

Size really matters with rockets. What I would give to have seen a Space Shuttle launch. Or a Saturn V!





 
neutronium76Date: Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 15:51 | Message # 1938
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Just watched this:


I must say I was shocked shok





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anonymousgamerDate: Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 17:11 | Message # 1939
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What I would give to have seen a Space Shuttle launch.


I've seen a Space Shuttle launch. It was during sunset. When the boosters fired, it looked like there were 2 sunsets in different directions. A minute later there was the most powerful bass-y rumble I've ever felt. If only I had a better camera at the time...





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midtskogenDate: Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 18:01 | Message # 1940
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I must say I was shocked

Haha. Not even anyone in eastern Europe during the coldest war would think of something like this. If she wasn't on a lucky list, she surely is now. All it takes is one grumpy officer.

Thanks for the reminder that travel to the US must be avoided if possible. Travel used to be smooth for me, relatively smooth even after 9-11, but then I ran into a grumpy immigration officer. Usually a visa waiver suffices to enter the US for us, but I once had to travel to the US on a one-way ticket and therefore I had to apply for a visa. They gave me a 10 year visa (even though I only needed it for a few weeks), which they glued into my passport. So the visa was valid for longer than my passport. When the passport expired and I got a new one, the police destroyed of course the old in order to prevent abuse of it. But I didn't need the visa anymore, so no problem. And it was no problem for years even after 9-11 until that officer, who insisted that I had to present the visa since it was still valid, not the visa waiver, even after I explained the situation. Eventually he let me through, but ever since I and my family have been "randomly picked by the computer" for a manual inspection of all luggage when travelling to the US. It never happened before.





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neutronium76Date: Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 18:54 | Message # 1941
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Haha. Not even anyone in eastern Europe during the coldest war would think of something like this. If she wasn't on a lucky list, she surely is now. All it takes is one grumpy officer.

Thanks for the reminder that travel to the US must be avoided if possible...


This can happen in post 9/11 europe as well. It has happened to me twice.
1st story: I was travelling form Greece to UK via Amsterdam to visit friends during Easter 2008. The outward journey was smooth - no issues. But I had trouble returning home from U.K. You see although I live in Greece, I have Turkish passport because of my father (Imigrant forced to leave Turkey because of Greek-Turkish pogroms in the 50s-60s) so I had to issue a visa for the U.K. In Greece I have permanetnt Residence Permit ID Card. When I was returning from the U.K., the Dutch officials didn't recognise my residence permit when I arrived at Amsterdam from Newcastle. So they treated me as an alien trying to enter EU Schengen country from a non-Schengen EU member state (U.K.) I tried to explain to them that this is an official document issued by the authorities in my country but no, no they wanted to play it boss. So I missed my connection flight whilst they sent a photocopy of my ID to their superiors who told them after many hours that it is a legal EU document and they let me through. They apologised and offered me replacement ticket for the next available flight. For 12 hours I felt like Tom Hanks at ''The Terminal''.
2nd story: I was travelling from Athens to Stockholm, again via Amsterdam. I had a bottle of shampoo in my hand-luggage and at the security in Athens they rightfully told me that liquids are not permitted in the cabin as per security regulations. So I asked them to take it and put it in my checked-in luggage. They said that they can not do that. So I asked them to give it to a cabin crue member to keep it and give it back to me at the end of the flight. Again they refused. The only option they gave me was to leave it there so my shampoo was confiscated. I really don't understand this lack of flexibility in these regulations sad





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Edited by neutronium76 - Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 18:59
 
midtskogenDate: Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 22:56 | Message # 1942
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Well, your first story is rather about Schengen being utterly broken. The second, though the rules are nonsense and hysterical, you made a mistake, and it only cost you a few euros. I've made a mistake like that once as well. When travelling with a rifle in my baggage I've always made sure to remove the breech and put it in a separate bag, as the rules dictate, but I've left the ammunition with the rifle. Until I was once called up over the speakers to report myself. It turned out that the rules demanded that the ammunition and the rifle had to be packed separately, which is pretty pointless if the breech has been removed (I think it's ok to pack the breech and the ammunition together, so it's not about splitting the weapon in three rather than two parts either). And in order to catch my flight I had to leave the ammunition behind. Yes, pointless rule, but I also have myself to blame for not reading the fine print.




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neutronium76Date: Wednesday, 20.11.2013, 23:49 | Message # 1943
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Ehhm I was only carrying a bloody shampoo bottle. You were carrying a weapon. I think there is a small difference in level of danger between the two. I am actually surprised they let you carry riffles with or without ammunition, anyway (unless you possess a special licence that alows you to carry weapons ). Plus I offered them two alternative solutions so that their fine printed rules were not broken. And they still refused. Point is these rules are sometimes (if not mosto of the times) completely inordinate and pointless - a result of reinforced policies that pretend to offer an illusion of security. Fact is that the goverments, agencies and organisations that set these rules, fail to distinguish the forest from the tree...




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HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 21.11.2013, 00:13 | Message # 1944
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Quote neutronium76 ()
I was only carrying a bloody shampoo bottle.

You were carrying something which could have been used as a weapon too, as far as the security people knew. What he's saying is that there was a rule that you should have known and taken into account, and you didn't, and regardless of how much sense the rule makes it's still your fault that you encountered that problem.

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Point is these rules are sometimes (if not mosto of the times) completely inordinate and pointless - a result of reinforced policies that pretend to offer an illusion of security.

The rule about liquids is actually due to a real attempted attack using a method of combining liquids to make a bomb, if I'm not mistaken.





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anonymousgamerDate: Thursday, 21.11.2013, 01:48 | Message # 1945
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Here's a crummy video I took of a Shuttle launch in 2009 at Kennedy Space Center. I used an old digital camera with terrible video quality and a tripod which I should not have used. But still. I saw it. It was awesome.






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neutronium76Date: Thursday, 21.11.2013, 07:46 | Message # 1946
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Virtually all objects can be used as weapons. For example a hand luggage has normally a strap/belt. This can be used to strangle. However no such regulation that prohibits hand-luggage with straps, exists if I am not mistaken.
Also I said (and I am repeating for the 3rd time so read more carefully) I offered two alternatives to the security officials at the security checkpoint in order to comply with this rule. None was accepted.





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midtskogenDate: Thursday, 21.11.2013, 08:55 | Message # 1947
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Ehhm I was only carrying a bloody shampoo bottle. You were carrying a weapon.

You tried to bring it into the cabin, I had checked it in. Fine, the rules for liquids don't really fix the problem, but if you don't know the rules, you must take your share of the blame. In the other case entering Schengen the officer didn't know the rules, but when a country decides to outsource its border control to a number of third party countries, it can hardly be unexpected that such things will happen. You should have been allowed to pass through Amsterdam in transit. The politicians and in turn the voters are to blame.





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Edited by midtskogen - Thursday, 21.11.2013, 09:32
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 21.11.2013, 09:05 | Message # 1948
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I offered two alternatives to the security officials at the security checkpoint in order to comply with this rule.

Why should they go so far out of the way to accommodate someone who didn't even bother to read and follow the rules? They are under no obligation to do what you suggested and, forgive me for saying so, but it's a bit pretentious of you to think that they should have.

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Virtually all objects can be used as weapons.

Yes, but not all objects have the potential to be used as weapons powerful enough to easily bring down a plane, nor have all objects been proven to be a means for terrorists to use towards achieving that goal.





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neutronium76Date: Thursday, 21.11.2013, 10:04 | Message # 1949
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Yes, but not all objects have the potential to be used as weapons powerful enough to easily bring down a plane, nor have all objects been proven to be a means for terrorists to use towards achieving that goal.


So until an object is used effectively as a weapon it is safe to carry it on board. Now forgive me for saying so but it's a bit naive and potentially, dangerously, plainly stupid to think that way. No wonder the security officials at 9/11 must have thought: Ah OK there is no rule prohibiting carriage of sharp objects as no incidence has happened before so let them pass...





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HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 21.11.2013, 13:22 | Message # 1950
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So until an object is used effectively as a weapon it is safe to carry it on board.

No, that's not what I said, you neglected the entire first half of my sentence.





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