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Mars One 2023
kairunotabiDate: Tuesday, 23.04.2013, 23:07 | Message # 1
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Hello, click here.

Looks like we're going to Mars in 2023...permanently, there mission is to research about Mars and Life in the red planet. As time passes, there will be new discoveries and even inventions made entirely of martian resources! In order to join the program you need to be physically fit and within the age limit of more than 18 years old. Also there's an application fee of $38





 
WatsisnameDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 04:38 | Message # 2
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Ahahahaha, no.

Sorry, but to be frank this whole thing strikes me as being completely ridiculous. The plan is overly ambitious and premature. They do not demonstrate a working understanding of the challenges involved. They do not provide peer-reviewed research of the mission. Not to mention the notion of sending just anybody on an interplanetary mission is patently absurd -- you would want to send specialists who have devoted their lives to a discipline relevant to the mission objectives, not an average Joe.

I do very much hope that we'll get people to Mars in my lifetime, but I sincerely doubt this will be the mission that does it. For now I think I'll keep my $38.





 
TimDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 11:39 | Message # 3
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Yeah, I'm not to enthusiastic about Mars One either.
Especially because if they succeed, they're denying actual scientists the honor of landing on Mars first.
Also, I find it ridiculous to send somebody in space for the rest of their lives. The time for that is just not here yet.
 
midtskogenDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 11:58 | Message # 4
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Actually, it would be quite cool if amateurs beat governments. But the Mars One idea is ridiculous. We can build a spaceship that happens to sit on the surface of Mars and the crew might do a few EVA's, but a proper colony able to sustain itself and expand by itself is far, far away. First things first.




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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 12:06 | Message # 5
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I find it ridiculous to send somebody in space for the rest of their lives. The time for that is just not here yet.

What's wrong with doing that now? If someone wants to go to Mars and live there until they die then why shouldn't they? The one-way trip scenarios make a bit more sense on account of not having to have provisions for a return journey, thus allowing us to get to Mars sooner than we would otherwise be able to.





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midtskogenDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 12:30 | Message # 6
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What's wrong with doing that now? If someone wants to go to Mars and live there until they die then why shouldn't they?

I find it a bit wrong if they are going to die soon, especially if they were under the illusion that they would be able to live to old age there. I don't think it would be wise to issue one-way tickets before return tickets have been successful.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 12:41 | Message # 7
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I find it a bit wrong if they are going to die soon, especially if they were under the illusion that they would be able to live to old age there.

...care to elaborate on that point?





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midtskogenDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 13:05 | Message # 8
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That's it's wrong to send someone to their deaths that they didn't expect so soon, or that Mars One participants, if they make it to Mars in 2023, would hardly last very long?




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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 13:07 | Message # 9
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When I was making my comments about one-way trips, I was not referring specifically to Mars One (which I oppose) but to the concept in general. Is your concern with the one-way concept in general or with Mars One specifically? And whichever it is, why do you think that they would die soon?




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midtskogenDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 13:40 | Message # 10
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Given the schedule, I think Mars One participants would arrive too empty-handed to last long. They would need to use local resources, and for that simply too much must be in place that can be done in 10 years (or 20 for that matter).

On one-way trips in general, I think it's a bad idea before return trips have been made because I think experience will be needed with using local resources for survival. And it will probably more expensive anyway, since you would have to be more prepared for everything if you can't return. Moreover, I think a colony would depend on supplies from Earth for a very, very long time anyway, and it could cost more to prepare for that than to have a way to return if something goes wrong.





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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 14:10 | Message # 11
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it could cost more to prepare for that than to have a way to return if something goes wrong.

Not all one-way trip scenarios leave the colonists stranded. For example, SpaceX's strategy would have craft capable of returning people to Earth if necessary.

It should also be pointed out that we can't go forward with the attitude that any potential failure or loss of life is unacceptable. Losing a colony is a risk of colonization. It has happened before (Roanoke being a good example) and it may happen again. Keep in mind that the people signing up to be colonists know that they're risking their lives on the new frontier and they're accepting that risk as acceptable to them. If they're willing to do that then we have no right to tell them that they can't.





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midtskogenDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 14:30 | Message # 12
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I'm speaking about risk minimisation, not risk elimination. And cost. Of course, if you have a return option, that would be like having a return ticket, but if all goes well, it wont be used. Then you have prepared for two different missions, and again that will cost you.




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AerospacefagDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 16:45 | Message # 13
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Actually, it would be quite cool if amateurs beat governments.

But this is absolutely impossible. They going to have to make new government on their own to do so, if not greater. Only by multinational cooperation such project can be carried out on this level of technology development.
Moreover, existing space program is the result of military and civil competition in Cold War, and cooperations after it. By being left alone, it may be completely flooded and fall apart if such propositions will prevail. I predicted it even earlier, in 2008, but since that time, almost nothing has changed.

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For example, SpaceX's strategy would have craft capable of returning people to Earth if necessary.

I do not understand, what do you mean "If necessary"?

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Losing a colony is a risk of colonization.

That is the point - the risk of loosing the life in the work of space colonization is absolutely unacceptable. As the part of idea, project and philosophy, by making this kind of risk acceptable we're turning it to a crash course. No more huge safety margins = less quality control = 30-60% failure rate, like in early 60-s.
Moreover, this is the key point of the program - to make some investments to some not-even-on-paper projects, that somehow will bring some people to the Moon Mars. Oh wait, we haven't even been on Moon for 40 years. For-tee. Ye-ars.

So if we ask their managers about that, they would say:"It's SCIENCE, I ain't gotta explain shit." If we then come to their "scientist" and ask about that them, they obviously would say:"It's BUSINESS, so, you know... that's a silly question." It's not long time left until they'll start to produce action movies, illustrated books and plush toys. I'm not kidding.


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HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 17:19 | Message # 14
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what do you mean "If necessary"?

I mean that there would be no intention of bringing anyone home, they would be permanent colonists, but there would be spacecraft capable of bringing people home if something went wrong.





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midtskogenDate: Wednesday, 24.04.2013, 17:49 | Message # 15
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Only by multinational cooperation such project can be carried out on this level of technology development.

To Mars within a decade, if any, yes, multinational cooperation, but even that would be a stretch. Only governments coulud have that kind of resources. But governments also tend to make things very expensive. Private enterprises would through necessity do things differently and cheaper, which might prove necessary to make any Mars colonies at all.





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