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HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 17.02.2014, 17:11 | Message # 91
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A glow on the space shuttle caused by atomic oxygen in the upper atmosphere encountering nitric oxide on the shuttle's exterior.






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AerospacefagDate: Monday, 17.02.2014, 19:17 | Message # 92
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HarbingerDawn, is it visible with the naked eye or you need special equipment just to notice it?
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Monday, 17.02.2014, 20:25 | Message # 93
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Quote Aerospacefag ()
is it visible with the naked eye or you need special equipment just to notice it

Naked eye, though it was made much more noticeable when they did an experiment that involved releasing nitric oxide gas.





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neutronium76Date: Tuesday, 29.04.2014, 18:21 | Message # 94
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An interesting documentary about the soyuz undocking, reentry and landing:

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Tensions in USA-Russia relationships (due to Ukraine crisis) may affect ISS crew and cargo transportation with soyuz/progress:
http://news.discovery.com/space....322.htm




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SalvoDate: Tuesday, 29.04.2014, 19:56 | Message # 95
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Quote neutronium76 ()
Tensions in USA-Russia relationships (due to Ukraine crisis) may affect ISS crew and cargo transportation with soyuz/progress:
http://news.discovery.com/space....322.htm

I read that too, I'm so worried... I hope the situation will get better soon sad

Nice video anyway





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AerospacefagDate: Tuesday, 29.04.2014, 21:36 | Message # 96
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Salvo, I think I know one of the reasons. Although it's belongs to the other thread, the fact itself is notable.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs....the-bus

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"How is it that we're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in U.S. taxpayer money [on Russian engines] at a time when Russia is the process of invading Ukraine?" said Musk. "It would be hard to imagine that [Russian Deputy Prime Minister] Dmitry Rogozin is not benefiting personally from the dollars that are sent there."




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HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 29.04.2014, 22:00 | Message # 97
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Aerospacefag, what does that quote and your facepalm have to do with potential political disruptions to ISS operations?




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AerospacefagDate: Tuesday, 29.04.2014, 22:43 | Message # 98
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Quote HarbingerDawn ()
potential political disruptions


So, the head of the company directly incriminates the Deputy Minister of the sovereign state for profiting from American taxpayers and urges to introduce sanctions against him on this basis. This is the unprecedented level of political engagement, a level of hostility which can only be explained by the fact that said person wants make hundreds of millions on government contracts.

People probably think that this is a case of interfering of politics within area of space development, but as you can see, SpaceX is now actively pushing the idea for the purpose of expanding their business. So, as you can guess, this is entirely opposite situation - when business is trying to benefit from political situation. They are demonstrating their aggressive attitude towards Russian space program and intimidating government to let them take contracts for the governmental spaceflight, and this, obviously, is just a beginning.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news....93.html

Of course, the situation in which American companies are trying to get their hands on new markets using the political power of the state, breaking international treaties and introducing the destabilization in the certain regions, is illegitimate and especially infuriating. But the situation in which public readily submits under these actions is not just the case of severe nearsightedness, but is entirely counter-productive for the development itself. That's what it is all about.


Edited by Aerospacefag - Tuesday, 29.04.2014, 22:46
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Tuesday, 29.04.2014, 23:46 | Message # 99
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I agree with most of what you said at the beginning (though it is certainly not "unprecedented"), until the following sentence...

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They are demonstrating their aggressive attitude towards Russian space program

This is nonsense. There is no aggressive attitude toward Russia's space program demonstrated by anyone related to the events in question.

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obviously, is just a beginning

I don't see it as obvious at all. But if it's so obvious to you, then please explain what other things they intend to do later?

Quote Aerospacefag ()
breaking international treaties and introducing the destabilization in the certain regions

It's hilarious that you think that things like this are common business practice. Because they're not. Please try to prove me wrong.

Yes, SpaceX does seem to be trying to gain launch contracts with the government (though their assertion that the government should open these contracts to competition is certainly valid, and SpaceX does deserve to launch some of these missions). And yes, they are certainly taking advantage of the current political situation, especially by attacking the RD-180, which would eliminate the Atlas V, which is the best and most competitive vehicle ULA has. So they are being aggressive and opportunistic in trying to confront their competitor and gain contracts.

But all that other stuff you said, about hostility towards the Russian space program, about companies breaking treaties and destabilizing regions, and this just being the opening move in some larger nefarious scheme? That is a bunch of overly-dramatic nonsense, and I challenge you to prove otherwise.





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AerospacefagDate: Wednesday, 30.04.2014, 01:06 | Message # 100
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Quote HarbingerDawn ()
There is no aggressive attitude toward Russia's space program demonstrated by anyone related to the events in question.

If such accusation isn't actual fact of aggressiveness and a reason to thwart the whole cooperation between two countries... then I don't even know what is. "Taking the advantage" requires neutral and constructive dialogue and fair terms, not an one-sided forceful initiative.

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I don't see it as obvious at all. But if it's so obvious to you, then please explain what other things they intend to do later?

I cannot really decide for them but in perspective, but judging by previous years, the whole initiative of private space flight is aiming to challenge "historical" players in the space industry, and with this concrete call to remove Russian space industry from cooperation by the force of law, they aim much further - for monopolization.

Nevertheless, again, all of this could be just an internal, short-term issue if not the political subtext. Ukraine used to be one of the nations with large aerospace(and nuclear, for that matter) industry, second largest on the entire continent. And the chain of events, that followed by dissolution of USSR, of course, have led to gradual deterioration of the industry, instead of promised fair competition and new era of cooperation - instead they faced ignorance, failure and lack of funds, shortage of good specialists fleeing to the west and corrupt government. Last of these efforts was Space Launch, which failed spectacularly, with many of specialist leaving to no other place than SpaceX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuzhnoye_Design_Bureau
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuzhmash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluton_(complex)

Until recent time, Russia wasn't able to gradually expand it's space program, but still, many of the military and civilian projects were relying on Ukraine industry, until they've moved to domestic production - that was the only chance for said industry to persist.

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But all that other stuff you said, about hostility towards the Russian space program, about companies breaking treaties and destabilizing regions, and this just being the opening move in some larger nefarious scheme?


I must specifically point that there are no special "larger schemes" behind this, other than greed and corruption of several particular corporations. It is no common business practice, but of every businessman knows that there's only way to make real profit is to go against morals and common practices. I'm terribly ashamed of the situation when this became possible anywhere - in nuclear, space or energy industry.

Today, with all threat of unrest and with irresponsible government controlled by foreign policy, there's no chance for any of Soviet legacy in Ukraine to survive at all. They will be scrapped in favor of materially-minded programs of "economy stabilization" and "eurointegration", and their remains will be sold on auctions throughout the world. And there's no other way around that, same as it was for far too many famous cases before.


Edited by Aerospacefag - Wednesday, 30.04.2014, 01:09
 
laiodDate: Wednesday, 30.04.2014, 01:06 | Message # 101
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The SLS will be taking us to Mars, or atleast a journey there will be made in it:

http://www.nasa.gov/press....e_ldXTo





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n0b0dyDate: Thursday, 04.12.2014, 11:07 | Message # 102
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Orion getting ready for launch.

I am amazed that nobody from the US in the forums hasn't posted anything yet. This,strictly, should have been posted in the unmanned spaceflight thread but because it is meant to be a manned project in the future, I decided to post it here.


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HarbingerDawnDate: Thursday, 04.12.2014, 11:15 | Message # 103
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because it is meant to be a manned project in the future, I decided to post it here.

I agree.





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Chris94Date: Thursday, 04.12.2014, 16:12 | Message # 104
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Launch of Orion postponed to 7:05 am EST(12:05 GMT) tomorrow.
The valves on the rocket did not close properly and also the weather was a problem. The wind exeeded the limit at 21 knots. It is a risk that during the launch, and it is too much wind, the rocket can tilt in a different angle and the rocket can lose control.
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Thursday, 04.12.2014, 16:20 | Message # 105
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Not surprising. The weather here has been all over the place for the past couple weeks.




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