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FlynnDate: Tuesday, 11.09.2012, 23:57 | Message # 31
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Ive seen this at least three times, i didn't expect to see this posted here.. though it sort of makes sense. I posted on Facebook but no one replied or reported anything about it there =/. Maybe you guys will be more interested..

I live in Denver, Colorado, USA and fly aircraft privately with a few friends of mine somewhat regularly from Colorado to the Mid-West around Nebraska and Iowa. (I myself have almost attained my license! Just my Cross Country Solo, a few lessons, the test, and bam! but not quite....).

And I know this is the internet and anyone can say anything without concequence, but I completely and whole-heartedly swear and affirm to what I post here in this post. So take that for what it's worth.

The most recent, A few nights ago (Sept. 8th, 2012), I was traveling in the car with a friend of mine headed to her place. I recall looking out the window (to the North i believe, traveling West) and looking up at the stars on the fairly clear night. One star in particular which was center in view and caught my attention slowly faded out of view and into nothing. I stared for a few minutes but it didn't come back. I was estatic lol. It was blue/white just like any other star. Didn't really stand out, but i was looking straight at it when it started to disappear. I'd say there were probably less than maybe 50 stars visible at the time?
Edit: It was a relatively clear night, maybe a thin band of cirrus up above but i remember being able to see a vast majority of the night sky unobstructed.

The second event I can remember is when I was flying back through Nebraska to Colorado in July (this year) with a friend of mine. It was late at night, probably 2200-2300 Local time (GMT-6) and i remember we were facing a nasty headwind passing over Omaha, something like 35kts, so we were dragging slow headed West in our DA-20. We were tuned into Omaha's departure and arrival frequencies so we could listen for incoming and outbound traffic. My friend (the Pilot in Command) noticed the object first and pointed it out. It was a little yellow but otherwise looked like a very bright sphere/star. As a pilot, there is a concern with head-on collisions. So we flipped our Garmin1000 (a fancy glass cockpit for aircraft) and turned to the TIS (Traffic Information Service) which displays information on nearby aircraft. There was nothing within 12nm on the screen, and we were actively receiving TIS service from KOMA. My friend even grabbed his binoculars and tried to look at the object but claimed it looked just like a blurry sphere. I tried but i couldn't get the binoculars to work in my favor before it started. The object started moving to our left at a steady pace, but did not change in shape, velocity, or altitude. What was weird was there was no flashing beacon (as per FAR regulations after sunset all aircraft are required to have one) or a rotating beacon. Nor were there the standard green/red wind nav lights. The object never got brighter nor dimmer, and stopped moving when it was abeam our Port wing (left). It stayed there for approximately 30 seconds to a minute before it faded into nothing. We didn't know what to make of it. And watched the area intensively for the better part of twenty minutes before giving up on both the light and making it home for the night. We ended up in Grand Island, NE for the evening.

AND the third time;

I was attending the EAA Oshkosh festival this year at Oshkosh Wisconsin, USA. Its the world's largest aviation celebration / airshow with attendees and showcases from all over the world. One night in particular the friend of mine I had been flying with over Omaha, NE and I decided to go lay on one of the busiest runway in the world at that time (RWY 9/27). It was after 2000 (GMT-6 again) as the runways were closed and you weren't allowed on them prior to that time with aircraft operations. I'd have to say it must have been around 2100 to 2300. As we were laying on the runway we were actually discussing seeing things in the sky, and I recall looking over to our left which would have to have been WNW (so more West than North) from the way we were laying. I caught a single bright light and what i thought was a red light nearby it. Immediately i called out about it and my friend looked over, the red disappeared and he says he caught the white disappearing just as he looked over. There was no aircraft sounds, and the sky was clear and conditions were pleasant with a slight 3-5kt breeze. The runway was closed so it there shouldn't have been traffic.

So What did I see?

I can't explain it and yeah i will admit i've watched Ancient Aliens, all of them, but i am also a generally skeptical person. I've looked further into similar stuff and have even gotten into Egyptian, Summerian, and Babylonian mythologies and accounts of stuff. Now they'll put anything on TV, especially American television. So I'm definitely not saying it was Aliens, but i've seen what i've seen. There's strange stuff in this world. Past and Present.





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Edited by Flynn - Wednesday, 12.09.2012, 00:03
 
HarbingerDawnDate: Wednesday, 12.09.2012, 00:38 | Message # 32
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It stayed there for approximately 30 seconds to a minute before it faded into nothing. We didn't know what to make of it. And watched the area intensively for the better part of twenty minutes before giving up on both the light and making it home for the night. We ended up in Grand Island, NE for the evening.

Your account of this object is not inconsistent with a low pass of a bright satellite like the ISS disappearing as it enters Earth's shadow. On passes relatively low in the sky the object will seem to maintain a constant brightness and velocity and altitude (or will at least seem to not change very much, which might as well mean constant when observing from a light aircraft). Especially the description of "fading into nothing", that is exactly how I would describe that type of event.

There are a lot of things up in the skies, and some are hard to explain (including things I've seen), but virtually all of them are ultimately caused by very mundane things. The challenging part is trying to identify them, taking the "U" out of "UFO". Sometimes you won't be able to do it, and you will never know what you saw. The important thing is to never forget that unidentified flying objects ≠ aliens by default. Most people seem to overlook that.

Keep looking up, and good luck with that license!





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lexrazorDate: Wednesday, 12.09.2012, 15:52 | Message # 33
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Sadly i couldnt keep observing the star i mentioned because the sky was pretty cloudy. But i will keep looking each clear night to see if i can spot it again. Sorry guys it was out of my hands =\
 
FlynnDate: Thursday, 13.09.2012, 23:01 | Message # 34
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I'm definitely not jumping off the ship and screaming Aliens, that was my point there at the end. I don't know what I saw, but as a frequent flyer in General Aviation and someone who has gone to school for at least four years for their Aerospace Technology / Meteorology Double Major and a minor in Astronomy... I don't think it's above me to say I am at least somewhat qualified in observing objects in the night sky.

The event flying over Nebraska;

It was definitely NOT a satellite. Reason being is it was overcast during that flight. Well; part of the sky was if i remember correctly. We at first took the object for another aircraft, thus why we were trying to pick it up on TIS(Traffic Information System). The object, in regards to brightness, appeared to be within ~5 nautical miles from our aircraft. Yet TIS, which provides air traffic information for any transmitting aircraft within 12 nautical miles, showed nothing but a departing A320 to the North. Headed North and some thousand feet above us already at that point. It stayed directly infront of us for a short period before it moved steadily and slowly to the LEFT. It continued this motion until reaching our left wing, abeam the aircraft. It never seemed to change distance from us. We were traveling probably 85-95 knots with that headwind. Once it reached the wing, which the area was cloudy, it began to disappear steadily until it faded out and it never came back.

Let's say it was an aircraft headed at you. At night, which is when we were flying, an aircraft headed directly at you would appear as a bright white light until it was within a nautical mile or so when it would exponentially begin to get larger in view. Thus why there are so many head-on mid-air collision in General Aviation. My scenario can at first be explained under this. It accounts for the bright white light. A distant jet heading straight for us. Regardless of TIS.
Next the light began to move to our left side, towards the South. With an aircraft either a few things will happen. The opposing aircraft makes a turn to their right (our left). On our end we would visibly see the white landing lights grow dimmer as their focus point changes and the red beacon and navigation lights on the exterior of the aircraft would become more visible. The same goes for the strobe light. However none of this happens. It remained a consistent bright yellowish-white light.
It then stayed abeam for a short period of time before disappearing. The clouds however, could easily help explain this part of my experience. It was cloudy to the South and abeam the aircraft. However the clouds were moving and if the Object had continued it would have exited behind them to our 7 to 9ish O'clock. But like I said, I watched until I couldn't see any more and my friend watched longer than that as he was sitting Left Seat. It never came back.

I have raked my brain over what this could be and it evades me. Mundane explanation, I would love to hear it. I have gone through countless and none add up. That's ALL i'm saying. (again, I'm not screaming Aliens. It could be top-secret US technology for all I know.)

Edit: Typos and making a couple sentences make more sense.

Edit2:

No seriously though, I don't shoot you down to tell you you're wrong. I shoot you down because I hope you have another idea to explain it. I'm really trying to figure out what this is. It's even getting me paranoid, I watch stars like a nut now. Speaking of, they were beautiful here last night. Clear atmosphere but the air was turbulent. The stars were flickering all kinds of different subtle colors (if you've never seen this before try taking binoculars out on a clear night where the stars seem to twinkle more than previous nights. the turbulent atmosphere causes variation in which band of the EMS is filtered or let through so they tend to twinkle between blue, white, orange/yellow, purple, and green.)

ASTRONOMY! Or maybe that's just PHYSICS!





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Edited by Flynn - Friday, 14.09.2012, 18:35
 
AlessiaCristalloooDate: Tuesday, 26.02.2013, 22:51 | Message # 35
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Today I seen an halo around the moon! It was AWESOME! I tryed to make a photo but i couldn't since I don't have the right camera cry

How often they appear? Do you ever photographed one of them? smile


Edited by AlessiaCristallooo - Tuesday, 26.02.2013, 22:53
 
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