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Survival mode for Space Engine?!?!
GalacticrafterDate: Monday, 18.05.2015, 13:40 | Message # 1
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This may sound insane (okay, it's beyond insane) but I was thinking of an idea for a survival mode for Space Engine. shok

Where you mine resources, craft things and explore space with ships you create, with random ores generated randomly across different planets, moons, asteroids and comets.

I know, I know. This is beyond insane, and it requires a gargantuan ammount of coding, but this would make it a realistic version of Minecraft in space, but a trillion, trillion, trillion times better.

Do tell me what you think, this is my first thread smile
 
AerospacefagDate: Monday, 18.05.2015, 17:42 | Message # 2
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Galacticrafter, we(me personally, at least) have been working on it. However, it is not even in the plans for the actual game, because the game itself is still in the planetarium stage of development, but I'm personally have some ideas in that direction. It's just some things we discussed on the Russian forum, so right now this variant is preferable over other gameplay features. Personally I'm imagining it more like Kerbal Space Program with less complicated shipbuilding techniques and extended resource and production options.

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This is beyond insane, and it requires a gargantuan ammount of coding, but this would make it a realistic version of Minecraft in space, but a trillion, trillion, trillion times better.

It makes more sense if you consider that Space Engine, being procedurally generated, is not actually 3D-grid-generated landscape, so writing all the interactions between objects is little more complicated than writing a decent physics engine, and as far as I know, Engineer has been building at least one prototype(of said engine). We have to, however, determine all the resource mechanisms and industrial chains for each products, and this is a lot of paperwork to do outside the coding. Which I would gladly take if there was a lot of use of it today - but I will stop at prototype system anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tPdbLe3zx0

Anyway, you can expect something like that in 2+ years, when most of the planned features will be realized.


Edited by Aerospacefag - Monday, 18.05.2015, 17:44
 
parameciumkidDate: Monday, 18.05.2015, 21:11 | Message # 3
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Now that you bring it up, this actually sounds like an awesome idea.
The only issue, on a conceptual level, is that it would tragically underutilize the power of SpaceEngine's vast procedural universe. You could explore for your entire life and never see 99.999% of it (which is also true of the current edition).
Even a SpaceEngine MMO would be mostly empty and unexplored, even after many years, in a Minecraft-like survival mode.
I still like the idea though, and it would be a good starting point for making an actual game out of SpaceEngine.





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Edited by parameciumkid - Monday, 18.05.2015, 21:11
 
DoctorOfSpaceDate: Monday, 18.05.2015, 21:26 | Message # 4
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Quote parameciumkid ()
(which is also true of the current edition).


And will be true for every version regardless of gameplay features or lack thereof.

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Even a SpaceEngine MMO would be mostly empty and unexplored, even after many years, in a Minecraft-like survival mode.


If the future online game is built upon a future version of the engine(which it would be), regardless of survival mode, it too will be mostly empty. SpaceEngine could restrict itself to just the Milky Way and even that would mostly be empty due to the sheer number of stars.





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BlueDracheDate: Tuesday, 19.05.2015, 03:28 | Message # 5
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Minecraft ... in ... spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!!!
 
n0b0dyDate: Tuesday, 19.05.2015, 06:36 | Message # 6
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Quote DoctorOfSpace ()
SpaceEngine could restrict itself to just the Milky Way and even that would mostly be empty due to the sheer number of stars.


There are already other games simulating ''just'' the Milky Way and although I can understand the reasoning behind this, I would prefer the current size of the playable area.
My reasons are two mainly:

  • As long as Space Engineer builds Space Engine with realism in mind i.e. Space Engine's main aim is to represent true scale of the observable (and beyond) universe, then it would make more sense to leave it as it is.

  • It is true that even with advanced technology (even more with current/near tech) it is impossible to travel and explore the furthest reaches of the real Universe. But that doesn't mean these vastly remote areas do not exist or should not exist just because they are too far away from us to reach.

    For gaming purposes I canunderstand that it would make more sense to restrict it to ''just'' the local group i.e. Milky Way, LMC, SMC, Andromeda and Triangulum and their smaller satellite galaxies.

    But for Planetarium Mode and possibly for a hardcore exploration game mode I would like to have the 103 GigaParsec Cube biggrin
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    SalvoDate: Tuesday, 19.05.2015, 19:56 | Message # 7
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    You're not the first one thinking about this, but I kind of agree with you!

    Anyway, I actually feel like a survival mode wouldn't be that survival, considering that it would lack of realism. Not because SE is unrealistic, but because it would need too much things to be implemented, and implementing them all would basically make an Universe Simulator, that... well, the name says it all.

    I don't know if a single person could do that, as soon as Vladimir will start setting up the game, he will definitely need an HUGE team of developers, to actually make a game like that wacko

    But that would be cool.





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    parameciumkidDate: Wednesday, 20.05.2015, 01:57 | Message # 8
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    There is a way it could be less empty: play not as a person or a ship, but as a civilization. It could be a large MMO where every player forms an interstellar civilization, which functions mostly autonomously save for guidance in some form by the player. Players would be able to expand faster as their civilizations grow, essentially geometrically. Perhaps players could even have the option to spawn new civilizations at any point sandbox-style.
    Obviously this would be a logistical nightmare for the poor people running the server, but at least in theory it provides the possibility that after a few years it would be less of a vacuous desert. I still feel like it would be far from "full", but honestly I consider that a good thing (it makes sure it will always be possible for new players to explore unoccupied territory, unlike modern MMOs), and if the spawn area is restricted based on what has been colonized so far (you can't join and spawn in a galaxy 10 billion light years from everyone else) the game would be fairly, uh, "multiplayer-ish".





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    DoctorOfSpaceDate: Wednesday, 20.05.2015, 04:11 | Message # 9
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    Quote n0b0dy ()
    I would prefer the current size of the playable area.


    I just want to make sure you know I wasn't suggesting that SE shrink and neither is anyone else that I know of. The size of the universe more than likely will actually become larger in future versions.





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    IanTheGuyDate: Sunday, 31.05.2015, 22:37 | Message # 10
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    Sounds great! You can recharge your ship by going close to stars. You can upgrade your ship, Heat resistance, gravity resistance, speed, acceleration, control, etc by exchanging minerals and other resources for money. Earn more money by exploring other galaxies, black holes, neutron stars, etc. More money by finding habitatable planets and/or conquering them. Not to mention, missions, quests, story and alot more.

    EXPLORATION

    Exoplanet exploration profit: $1000 - $2000 +1000 EXP

    Universe exploration profit (per 250 megaparsecs): $5000 - $10000 +3000 EXP

    Neutron star exploration profit: $5000 - $10000 +10000 EXP

    Black hole exploration profit: $10000 - $20000 +30000 EXP

    Supermassive: $40000 - $80000 +60000 EXP

    Quasar: $160000 +120000 EXP

    Blazar: $500000 +240000 EXP


    LIFE

    Habitable planet: $700000 +400000 EXP

    Taking over an Intelligent alien race: $1000000 +800000 EXP

    Taking over an Super Intelligent alien race: $5000000 +900000 EXP

    RESOURCES

    Steel profit per kilogram: $100 +50 EXP

    Silver profit per kilogram: $200 +400 EXP

    Coal profit per kilogram: $400 +450 EXP

    Gold profit per kilogram: $800 +800 EXP

    Platinum profit per kilogram: $1600 +850 EXP

    Diamond profit per kilogram: $3200 +1000 EXP


    UPGRADES

    Mining Effiency 1: $6000 Mining Effiency 2: $30000 Mining Effiency 3: $60000 Mining Effiency 4: $100000 Mining Effiency 5: $300000

    Energy 1: $5000 Energy 2: $30000 Energy 3: $100000 Energy 4: $400000 Energy 5: $800000

    Defense 1: $3000 Defense 2: $10000 Defense 3:$100000 Defense 4: $200000 Defense 5: $400000

    Heat resistance 1: $1000 Heat resistance 2: $2000 Heat resistance 3: $10000 Heat resistance 4: $100000 Heat resistance 5: $150000

    Cold resistance 1: $500 Cold resistance 2: $1000 Cold resistance 3: $10000 Cold resistance 4: $50000 Cold resistance 5: $100000

    Gravity Resistance 1: $5000 Gravity resistance 2: $10000 Gravity resistance 3: $100000 gravity resistance 4: $150000 Gravity resistance 5: 300000

    Control 1: $1500 Control 2: $3000 Control 3: $5000 Control 4: $100000 Control 5 (free mode): $200000

    Speed 1: $500 Speed 2: $5000 Speed 3: $50000 Speed 4: $100000 Speed 5: $500000

    Acceleration 1: $4000 Acceleration 2: $8000 Acceleration 3: $50000 Acceleration 4: $200000 Acceleration 5: $500000

    SHIPS

    Basic Ship: FREE Advanced ship: $200000 Super advanced ship: $500000 Ultra Advanced ship: $1000000 Golden Ship: $100000000

    WEAPONS

    Basic guns: FREE Advanced guns: $100000 Missiles: $200000 Nukes: $500000 Ultra Advanced Guns: $1000000 Super Advanced missiles: $100000000 Super Advanced nukes: $500000000



    Notice: Should make it a seperate game and not update this to survival.





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    Edited by IanTheGuy - Monday, 01.06.2015, 01:29
     
    AerospacefagDate: Sunday, 31.05.2015, 22:52 | Message # 11
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    Quote IanTheGuy ()
    Should make it a seperate game and not update this to survival.

    Yeah, I'd say, this idea with money and experience is about anything but a survival mode.

    Now, after some work done on manufacturing system (or rather, general model of it), I think for actual game we should first add a lot of models, a physics engine and ability to manage all of this machinery in the universe, and only then we can add resources and production mechanics. Which makes a survival mode like in Space Engineers, but with orbital mechanics.

    Of course, I hope that at this point adding a lot of math into the game would not have a great impact on graphic performance, but it will need an exponentially more complex system of management.


    Edited by Aerospacefag - Sunday, 31.05.2015, 22:53
     
    IanTheGuyDate: Sunday, 31.05.2015, 22:57 | Message # 12
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    Quote Aerospacefag ()
    Yeah, I'd say, this idea with money and experience is about anything but a survival mode.


    Totally.

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    Edited by IanTheGuy - Monday, 01.06.2015, 01:31
     
    AerospacefagDate: Sunday, 07.06.2015, 14:15 | Message # 13
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    I've been drawing some concepts for several transport vehicles, and I will continue to do this from time to time until I come up with something more or less complete. There's some models I've drawn in Google SketchUp (I'm not very good at 3d modelling and it is the best I can do right now).

    4-wheel crawler (or buggy), 6-wheel truck and huge 6-wheel land hauler.
    It is possible to use them as robotic platforms or harvesters as well, you just need some modifications.


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    Edited by Aerospacefag - Sunday, 07.06.2015, 14:18
     
    MixaDate: Sunday, 07.06.2015, 16:25 | Message # 14
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    Well, the only survival game that I liked was Subnautica, that hinted to the space exploration, but that game will be nothing more than survival and terraforming of oceania planet with life biggrin

    I'd like space engine to be only exploration game, but with a touch of survival. I'd love to see exploration, collecting, building and upgrading implemented in a similar way like in Subnautica. Exploring extremes would require survivng however. biggrin And taking into consideration that 90% of the universe are extremes... almost everything will be survival.

    Planets with life, however, will be filled with fruit and animals (that may be poisonous or dangerous, so you must scan them first), and on such a planet, your 'character' or whatever, has enough resources to survive, so he can spend more time exploring wildlife and comunicating with other inteligent beings.
     
    thekerbalwowDate: Sunday, 07.08.2016, 11:40 | Message # 15
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    it would be similar than no man sky and elite ii

    that will be cool


    Edited by thekerbalwow - Saturday, 13.08.2016, 09:03
     
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